Rail Trails
-  + Because we're not doing much (any at all) riding right now and it's the time of the year to plan for the upcoming season, I'm curious to know of other trails that some of you seasoned veterans have ri...
Discussion started 02/01/2010 03:10 PM by Trek - 27 replies (last reply by daytoncapri at 03/07/2010 02:32 PM)Trek on 02/01/2010 03:10 PM
Because we're not doing much (any at all) riding right now and it's the time of the year to plan for the upcoming season, I'm curious to know of other trails that some of you seasoned veterans have ridden that you think are comparable to the Katy in trail type, scenery, fun factor, etc. that are within 1-2 days drive from Missouri.
We've ridden the Tunnel Hill in Illinois, the Racoon River Valley in central Iowa, the Mickelson in South Dakota, the Steamboat Trace in Nebraska, the Wabash Trace in southwest Iowa, the Elroy Sparta/Lacrosse/Great River trail in Wisconsin, etc. And a few local trails in the Kansas City area. And of course the Katy numerous times while camping, staying at the B&B and motels, day trips, multiday trips, unloaded, fully loaded on the longbike, on the half bikes.......
Are there others that are noteworthy that you have ridden or plan to ride soon? Where are you riding this summer?
Paulie from knoxville on 02/01/2010 04:15 PM
Hey Trek, these are 4 of my favorites(other than the Katy)-
The GAP/C&O Canal trail, Pittsburgh to DC- 330 miles,took me 5 days
The Silver Comet, Atlanta to Anniston- 100+ miles, mostly paved
New River Trail, Pulaski Va to Galax Va.- 65+ miles, did the entire trail in a rainstorm.
Viginia Creeper, Abington Va- to Whitetop Mt Only 35 miles but the most scenic trail I've experienced.
Happy Trails,
Paulie
Frank on 02/01/2010 08:30 PM
Here's a couple shorter ones close to home.
http://www.friscohighlinetrail.org/
http://www.prairiespirittrail.org/
They are not kept up as near as good as the Katy. Last I knew part of the Prairie trail was re-routed to some gravel roads due to a washout. But they both make a nice day trip.
Anonymous from Ashland Mo on 02/01/2010 09:12 PM
Have ridden Paul Bunyan (partial), Soo Line, Cannon Valley, Root River and Sakatah Singing River in Minn. All paved. Soo Line was mediocre, all others were worthwhile. Rochester Minn also has many miles of paved trails in and around town along the river. Minn riders have no concept of the phrase "on your left".
Red Cedar, Old Abe, Elroy Sparta, "400", Omaha and Glacial Drumlin in Wisconsin were also worthwhile.
Hope to do the Long Leaf Trace (Hattiesburg Miss) this year.
Katy is still #1 and Hartsburg Trailhead is only 7 miles away.
Ray (webmaster) on 02/01/2010 09:40 PM
Paulie gave me a nice opening to promote a couple other websites that I built, based loosely on the design of the Katy Trail website:
For the C&O Canal Towpath (MD) and Great Allegheny Passage (PA), BikeCandO.com
For the Silver Comet (GA) and Chief Ladiga (AL) Trails, BikeSilverComet.com
The C&O website has been around for a couple of years and is pretty well established. The Silver Comet site just went online a few months ago and might still be short a few business listings, and could use some photos.
These are two really great trails (two sets of connected trails actually). But the Katy will always be tops in my book.
Paulie from Knoxville on 02/01/2010 11:26 PM
Great job Ray ! Any plans on a "comment forum" ?, like on this site.
Paulie
Diane from Scott AFB, Illinois on 02/02/2010 07:50 AM
Thanks for building those addition web sites. Your a super webmaster Ray! We're blessed to have you~
Ray (webmaster) on 02/02/2010 08:16 AM
Thanks for the compliments [blush]. Yes, I expect to add a forum to the C&O site this spring. Might be a while longer on the Silver Comet site - waiting for website traffic to get to a higher level.
Green Machine from Lawrence, KS on 02/02/2010 09:34 AM
I am slowly putting together a site for the Prairie Spirit Trail. I have ridden it many times and the central section is finally open after a washout a few years ago.
Let me know it there is any information that you are looking for and I will try to include it.
bikeprairiespirit.com is the address.
John from Los Angeles on 02/03/2010 12:08 AM
I've been on the Kettle Valley Trail in British Columbia, Canada. It is in the wine country of BC.
Doug from Bluffton on 02/03/2010 07:44 AM
Hey Trek:
Have you tried the Fox River Trail west of Chicago? It runs right next to the river for a good part of it but also has urban stretches as well as farm and small towns strips. Tons of things to do and see as well as lodging food etc. Pretty close to the center ( it's about 60 miles overall) there is a county park with camping on the other side of the river but easy to get to. Most of it is paved so a road bike works but a cross is better because even some of the paved is broken up. I have a friend that lives a mile off it so I have ridden it a few times. Love it. Email if you want more info on it.
howard hughes blues on 02/03/2010 10:38 AM
Nobody ever tried the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska? It's very long.
Green Machine from Lawrence on 02/03/2010 12:48 PM
I have scoured the web for info on the Cowboy Trail and called the Nebraska Parks
Commission. It seems that the trail is open from Valentine to Norfolk. This is about half the
total distance. I was told on the phone that it was possible to do the Chadron to Valentine
segment, but it hadn't been fully developed yet. I have my doubts. If anyone knows more, I
would like to hear it.
jd from gkc on 02/03/2010 04:46 PM
From what I know about the Cowboy without having done it, it is now 185-miles long from Norfolk to Valentine. It has numerous bridges; one is over 1300-ft long. I plan to do it in the next year or two.
Moving on, the following trails might not be much interest to the trail-pro’s on this site. But winter riding two short ones in Topeka (i.e., with snow on the ground) can be interesting because the city clears these busy trails for walkers and riders.
Even though the Shunga (doublewide) and the Lake Shawnee (triplewide) are considered beginner trails (7-miles each, one way; about 3-miles apart from each other), they provide quite a bit of nature and wildlife views (ducks, geese, coots, red squirrels, rabbits, eagles etc) together with a few places to stop, warmup, and eat if desired.
If the temp is near freezing, they can be tricky. Their curves and slopes aren’t perfect. A rider can easily fall, crash into a bridge, or slide into/onto the lake. They can be riden both ways for more milage. They are also a good place to practice layering and winter riding if done carefully. :)
Dick from Marietta GA on 02/05/2010 11:00 PM
Check out www.bikewashington.com List lots of trails in the Washington,
D.C., northern Virginia, and other areas. You can utilize the D.C. Metro
subway to get to and from some of the trails. Some are rail trails, some
not.
greg from glasgow, mt on 02/19/2010 11:38 PM
Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes in the Idaho Panhandle is my favorite. It is a well maintained 71 mile asphalt trail with plenty of forest, river, mountain, and lake scenery. It is 1400+ miles from Kansas City but would be worth the drive. On the web look at
http://friendsofcdatrails.org/CdA_Trail
The website also mentions several nearby trails including the Route of the Hiawatha which packs more scenery in 15 miles and has several tunnels including one that is 1.6 miles long. It is a gravel trail that is rougher than the Katy. I have been on the Katy several times and I would rank it in my top 5.
Closer to Missouri, the Little Miami Scenic Trail between Springfield, Xenia, and Milford, Ohio is a very scenic 70 mile paved trail. The southern half follows the Little Miami River in a narrow forested valley. See miamivalleytrails.org for more information.
michael rodemeyer from Hartsburg on 02/20/2010 09:56 AM
I would like to comment on Web Master Ray. My wife (Mayor Nancy Grant) and I think he''s the greatest. Where else could you get someone to take the time he is spending to help us with all the info that is on our web site. Nancy had a chance to meet Ray in Booneville and she was impressed by his knowledge and friendliness. They were both at a meeting of all the business owners along the trail which I hope we can make known to our biking friends. Again, you are great Ray!
Jack Shaver from Morrison, Colorado on 02/20/2010 12:34 PM
Trek: I have pedaled many areas of the US and I would like to suggest the Natchez Trace between Nashville, TN., to Natchez, MS. This is a wonderful 450 miles elongated National Park which is a two lane paved road with very little vehicular traffic. It truly was one of my best adventures!
Gene from LaPorte, IN on 02/23/2010 05:00 AM
You might try the Little Miami Trail from the Cincinnati area to Columbus. I don't know
if it is paved all the way but I think it at least goes to London, OH paved. I was on it on
GOBA (Great Ohio Bicycle Adventure) in 2006. You might start in Xenia, OH as there is a
B&O RR trail that connects there.
Also consider the former Pennsylvania Railroad (my employer in the 60s) north of
Columbus, OH. There are segments, which I rode on GOBA in 2008 in the Amish County
on that line. It is a wide trail but I've never ridden a trail that has bicycles on one side and
horses on the other. "Bicycles Only" is painted on the bicycle side of the trail. There are
some other trails around Muncie, IN. The Kal-Haven Trail (30 miles) from Kalamazoo to
South Haven in Michigan is old NYC RR but reports from friends in northern Indiana say
the state of Michigan is not maintaining it.
John from East Jordan on 02/23/2010 05:59 PM
I did the western most 20 mi. of the Kal-Haven trail this summer and it was in very good shape. I didn't have any problems at all. I was told the section towards Kalamazoo (eastern section) was in just as good shape.
John
Brian L. from Wichita on 02/23/2010 08:14 PM
Unfortunately (or fortunately!), multiple KATY rides are my only rail-trail experience. I've toured a little more, but highways are a lot scarier than the beautiful, serene KATY.
I've researched the Cowboy trail in NE several times, since it's close to my home base in Wichita, but I've always decided against it because the web sites & reviews make it seem much more "rustic" than I would be comfortable with. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has actually ridden much of it.
I recommend everybody join the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy -- a non-profit org that promotes existing rail-trails and the development of new ones. They have a great magazine with lots of info & photos on some very enticing trails. See http://www.railstotrails.org.
jd from gkc on 02/25/2010 03:16 PM
We've driven by large portions of the Cowboy Trail returning from a trip NW. From what I can tell, this 185-mile (currently) trail has three main trailheads with smaller ones in-between. We could see what looked like outhouses or chemical toilets from the nearby highway. The trail appears to be treed much of the way (not as heavily as the Katy) with several small to medium rivers bordering or crossing it.
Riders might have to depend on the towns for lodging, water, and sustenance, all of which seem fairly clean and prosperous. They might have public parks like the ones along the Katy. I would like to ride this trail oneway at least even tho I know it is not as elaborate or interesting as the Katy.
festus on 02/26/2010 10:39 PM
ever ridden the arch trail in st. louis. it starts just north of the arch, and if you follow it all the way, you can actually ride all the way to grafton, ill. quite a long ride. i've only ridden to just across the old chain of rocks bridage. 12 miles m/l one way. also the va. creeper trail. wonderful trail. shorter ride in st. louis county is the grant trail. 5-6 miles long, but enjoyable. check out www.trailnet.org.
DougK from Troy on 02/27/2010 09:08 AM
Trek,
Do you think the Mickelson would be hiker friendly?
Trek on 03/01/2010 11:36 AM
There are long stretches without communities, although there is water in holding tanks at some of the trailheads. If you are used to carrying provisions....there is some very pretty views to see on bike or foot.
Randy from Edwardsville on 03/03/2010 10:34 AM
If you are going to Chicago, the I&M canal trail from Channohon (Joliet) to Starved Rock area is a decent trail. Peoria has one called the Rock Island trail.
daytoncapri from Dayton OH on 03/06/2010 08:08 AM
I will add to the comment on the Little Miami Trail in Ohio - actually LMT is the name for ONE of the pretty sections of a much larger network of 300 miles of interconnected and all-asphalted bikeways in SW Ohio. I am lucky to live only a couple miles from access to get hooked to long distance bicycling. Xenia, OH is a good place to start - then you'll have to decide which direction to take. Xenia-Yellow Springs-Urbana, Xenia-London-plus, the LMT from Xenia-Terrace Park (Cincinnati), Xenia-Jamestown, Xenia-Dayton (then more choices in Dayton). This link will take you to an interactive map http://www.miamivalleytrails.org/Interactive-Maps.htm I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THE KATY
daytoncapri from Dayton OH on 03/07/2010 02:32 PM
I will add to the comment on the Little Miami Trail in Ohio - actually LMT is the name for ONE of the pretty sections of a much larger network of 300 miles of interconnected and all-asphalted bikeways in SW Ohio. I am lucky to live only a couple miles from access to get hooked to long distance bicycling. Xenia, OH is a good place to start - then you'll have to decide which direction to take. Xenia-Yellow Springs-Urbana, Xenia-London-plus, the LMT from Xenia-Terrace Park (Cincinnati), Xenia-Jamestown, Xenia-Dayton (then more choices in Dayton). This link will take you to an interactive map http://www.miamivalleytrails.org/Interactive-Maps.htm I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THE KATY
Merchant Coupon books
-  + I have been on this site for the last month getting my ride together for June and i just wanted to see of anyone know when and if there is going to be a 2010 Katy Trail Merchant Coupon Books. I have ...
Discussion started 03/05/2010 01:25 PM - 0 repliesAnonymous from johnson County kansas on 03/05/2010 01:25 PM
I have been on this site for the last month getting my ride together for June and i just wanted to see of anyone know when and if there is going to be a 2010 Katy Trail Merchant Coupon Books. I have looked on here and everything is still for 2009.
Katy Trail Weather
-  + Wife and I are thinking about riding the katy trail this weekend (3/6/10). Can anyone tell me
what the conditions are like?
Discussion started 03/03/2010 10:29 AM by rcr - 1 reply (last reply by savage24 at 03/03/2010 11:13 AM)rcr from prairie village, kansas on 03/03/2010 10:29 AM
Wife and I are thinking about riding the katy trail this weekend (3/6/10). Can anyone tell me
what the conditions are like?
savage24 from KC MO on 03/03/2010 11:13 AM
sbikes (another member here) and I went for a short walk on the trail at Rocheport this past Sunday. We were glad we decided to leave the bikes at home, and she was wishing she had brought her boots. It was a sloppy mess.
Herman BB w/ siblings
-  + Riding the trail from end to end in June. Here is the problem, we want to stay in Herman on a Sat night. All the BB's talk about is romance. Ya, no, did I mention I'm ridding this w/ my two sisters an...
Discussion started 01/26/2010 10:29 AM - 5 replies (last reply by Two wheels now at 03/03/2010 07:43 AM)Anonymous from Olathe Kansas on 01/26/2010 10:29 AM
Riding the trail from end to end in June. Here is the problem, we want to stay in Herman on a Sat night. All the BB's talk about is romance. Ya, no, did I mention I'm ridding this w/ my two sisters and niece. Really looking for soothing that has a few twin beds and close to the center of town Any ideas?
Anonymous on 01/27/2010 06:38 AM
The Herman motel is nuthin' fancy but might work for you. It clean, friendly and best of all.....inexpensive.
Paulie
Anonymous on 01/27/2010 07:33 AM
Call the Hermann vistors bureau. The ladies there will set you up with just what you need. Call as early as possible a lot of the places go pretty quick in the summer.
Cyclone Billy from Creston Iowa on 01/27/2010 11:01 AM
Hi: Check out the Harbour Haus, right at the Bridge, close to downtown, clean and
reasonable and run by super people. Am sure they could help you. Stayed there last fall.
Two wheels now from Centennial, Colorado on 03/02/2010 09:56 PM
Check out the Vinchester Inn - mixed reviews, BUT they have double rooms like you are seeking. also right in heart of town. Good luck,
Two wheels now from Centennial, Colorado on 03/03/2010 07:43 AM
Check out the Vinchester Inn - mixed reviews, BUT they have double rooms like you are seeking. also right in heart of town. Good luck,
Katy Trail Weather
-  + Has anyone done the Katy in mid-March? How cold and wet was it?
Discussion started 02/27/2010 07:21 AM by Kenneth Jones - 1 reply (last reply by jd at 03/01/2010 09:34 AM)Kenneth Jones from Houston, TX on 02/27/2010 07:21 AM
Has anyone done the Katy in mid-March? How cold and wet was it?
jd from gkc on 03/01/2010 09:34 AM
Mostly early April..which was okay. March can be very chilly at night and early morning. The wetness depends on the amount of snow melting and the rain taking place. Otherwise, it's probably not bad for cool weather riding. However, most of the facilites at the trailheads are still closed then I think?
Girard, KS on TransAM route to Clinton, MO
-  + We are riding the TransAM route from Portland, Oregon and want to ride the KATY Trail. What is the best route to get to Clinton via Girard or Farlington,KS ??? Thanks
Discussion started 01/23/2010 12:50 AM by Todd Morrison - 6 replies (last reply by John at 02/28/2010 03:18 PM)Todd Morrison from Portland, Oregon on 01/23/2010 12:50 AM
We are riding the TransAM route from Portland, Oregon and want to ride the KATY Trail. What is the best route to get to Clinton via Girard or Farlington,KS ??? Thanks
Skyguy9999 on 01/23/2010 08:43 AM
The important part of this would be if it is by car or by bike. By car, Google Maps shows it to be 110 miles, 3 hours (approx). For a bike, all I can suggest is to study the maps and see what would be comfortable for you (and where you can find lodging if you don't camp).
Trek on 01/23/2010 09:54 AM
Todd, you may want to check crazyguyonabike.com by searching Katy Trail. There are several TransAM riders who have ridden the Katy that have CGOB journals ....and by chance they may have taken a route that fits in with your plans.
jd from gkc on 01/24/2010 01:18 PM
From what I know, several cross-country riders have gone out of their northern/southern routes to do the Katy. I’ve seen and met them, and read their posts. To them, the trail is a very good change of pace from either direction, east or west. But they don’t say exactly how they get there.
Yet, because Clinton has several creeks and spread-out lakes directly south of it, it might be best to head north from Girard (if on a bike), and then cut east over to Clinton at your discretion, possibly near Butler or Adrian, MO, or before.
Also, to save time and distance, you might consider starting north before getting to Girard, like, at Wichita or Chanute etc, or even before getting to KS, but that choice probably depends on the the known conditions of available roads, distances between the towns, and your group. Most of the KS secondary highways are fairly good.
Trek on 01/26/2010 08:13 AM
Searching "Girard" and "Katy Trail" on crazyguyonabike.com the following is one of several links that appears. The link will take you to a map on bikely.com of the route taken by TransAM rider.
Katy Trail to ACA TransAm Route
Topic: Bicycle Touring
Website: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Katy-Trail-to-TransAm-Connector-WB
Features: Route: Hilly terrain, Long distance, Maps (online), Route planning, Rural
Locales: North America > United States > Missouri > Clinton
North America > United States > Kansas > Crawford > Girard - map
Notes: This is a 133 miles route connecting the Katy Trail in Clinton, MO to the ACA TransAm Route in Girard, KS. Please contact the me at john at nettlesfamily period com to update services along the route.
jd from gkc on 01/30/2010 04:21 PM
Great suggestion: reading 'crazyguyonabike.' Certain reports indicate that several transAM riders crossover from CO into KS via the mid-KS hwy. Then, at Newton, those wanting to do the Katy will head NE toward Iola and Garnett,KS, and then over to Clinton, MO from there.
John from Blue Springs, Mo. on 02/28/2010 03:18 PM
From Girad Ks. You can east to 69 hwy to Ft. Scott then to Neveda Mo. on 54 to 71 hwy noth to Harrisonville Mo. east on 7 hwy to Clinton Mo.
Bikes on Amtrak
-  + Having read reports of problems getting bikes on the train, even with reservations,in the past, I'm wondering how reliable it is today. Are there still problems, or has it become a non-issue and we ca...
Discussion started 02/09/2010 02:11 PM by stever - 8 replies (last reply by kim at 02/25/2010 01:28 PM)stever from North Prairie, WI on 02/09/2010 02:11 PM
Having read reports of problems getting bikes on the train, even with reservations,in the past, I'm wondering how reliable it is today. Are there still problems, or has it become a non-issue and we can count on using the train to get our bikes and us back to our starting point? Thanks,
Steve
Trek on 02/09/2010 03:43 PM
Contact Amtrak with information about your bikes, luggage, trip, etc. and get the word from them if you can board with your specific type of bike and at the location required. It may be best to hear it straight from them if they can accommodate you or not.
Dan from Centennial, Colorado on 02/09/2010 06:55 PM
WE just made reservations for three of us going from Kirkwood to Sedalia in May. The only guidance was that the pedals have to be removed and the handlebars loosened to turn parallel to the frame when stored. There is a limit of four bikes per trip, so book soon if you are considering.
Tony from KC on 02/10/2010 06:13 PM
I took the train from STL to KC last July. The only issue we had was that they rush you to board if you are not at one of the main stations (Downtown STL or KC). My buddy and I started loading our bikes, and one of the train employees threw our painners on the train behind us. We were a little upset with the lack of care, but in the end, nothing was damaged. I would recommend getting on at one of the main hubs, or you will be rushed. We were not asked to breakdown our bikes at all.
Kyle from Bolivar, MO on 02/11/2010 10:00 AM
I have to agree that they rush you but I'm sure it's to stay on there schedule. Last spring over Memorial weekend I parked my car at Sedalia and rode the trail 3 days to Hermann and rode the Amtrak back to Sedalia to my car. I was mostly disappointed in the fact that I paid my $8.00 extra in advance to reserve a bike rack. The bike racks were already full so they just threw my bike and pack up on a luggage shelf laying on it's side. Not the way I wanted my bike to ride on it's side for the trip otherwise it was a nice train ride back to car.
Kyle from Bolivar, MO on 02/11/2010 01:39 PM
I have to agree that they rush you but I'm sure it's to stay on there schedule. Last spring over Memorial weekend I parked my car at Sedalia and rode the trail 3 days to Hermann and rode the Amtrak back to Sedalia to my car. I was mostly disappointed in the fact that I paid my $8.00 extra in advance to reserve a bike rack. The bike racks were already full so they just threw my bike and pack up on a luggage shelf laying on it's side. Not the way I wanted my bike to ride on it's side for the trip otherwise it was a nice train ride back to car.
cunninghamair from O'Fallon, MO on 02/11/2010 05:28 PM
We got on in Washington, and you had to be QUICK but Amtrak personnel were there to
help. They leaned our bikes against the bulkhead in the front of the car--no disassembly
required. We reserved ahead of time.
EB from Greenwood on 02/25/2010 02:19 AM
Bring a bungee cord and move quickly and everything will work out.
kim from independence, mo on 02/25/2010 01:28 PM
We also had bike reservations, but the bike spots were full anyway (what's the point of reserving if they give them away to someone else). We had to use our own bungess to attach our bikes to the handicap bathroom door in the back. The Amtrak guy offered to attach them outside the back of the train. Needless to say, no one could use the handicap bathroom from Hermann to Sedalia.
Burr Oak Tree (McBaine)
-  + There is a large beautiful, original pen/ink drawing of this wonderful tree at Art & Antiques in Rocheport on the Katy Trail...prints are available,too.
Discussion started 02/25/2010 06:49 AM by Chris - 0 repliesChris from Harrisburg on 02/25/2010 06:49 AM
There is a large beautiful, original pen/ink drawing of this wonderful tree at Art & Antiques in Rocheport on the Katy Trail...prints are available,too.
Chris from Harrisburg on 02/25/2010 06:49 AM
There is a large beautiful, original pen/ink drawing of this wonderful tree at Art & Antiques in Rocheport on the Katy Trail...prints are available,too.
The Saving of the KATY Bridge in Booville
-  + Governor Nixon was in Boonville today to announce that the state of Missouri and the Union Pacific Railroad have come to an agreement and the bridge will remain in Boonville. Because of President Oba...
Discussion started 02/04/2010 03:12 PM by Parris Johnson - 7 replies (last reply by Brian L. at 02/23/2010 08:21 PM)Parris Johnson from Boonville, Mo on 02/04/2010 03:12 PM
Governor Nixon was in Boonville today to announce that the state of Missouri and the Union Pacific Railroad have come to an agreement and the bridge will remain in Boonville. Because of President Obama's stimulus package, money that Missouri received will be used to build a new bridge over the Osage River. Please help support the ongoing effort in Boonville to reopen this landmark bridge by pledging money to the Save the Katy Bridge Organization
Darrell from Jeff City, MO on 02/04/2010 05:39 PM
That's a winner all around, now a different kind of support kicks in, it's a good day!
Ray (webmaster) on 02/04/2010 09:20 PM
This is a sweet and long-awaited victory. Now just imagine being able to bike or walk across this amazing bridge. The organization that Parris mentioned, the Save the Katy Bridge Coalition, hopes to make that happen.
DougK from Troy on 02/06/2010 09:24 AM
Awesome news. Can't wait to hike across!!!
MLH from Overland Park, KS on 02/18/2010 05:18 PM
Great news! Does anyone know of the timing or details regarding converting this into a pedestrian bridge? Ramps on both sides of the elevated portion and additional fencing no doubt.
Specifically, if and when this is opened, I hope it is announced in advance. It would nice to get a bunch of the regulars from this forum (and everyone else) together for a marginally lawful grand opening party.
Anonymous on 02/18/2010 05:28 PM
Being out of state, I am confused. Can someone explain the basic significance of this bridge discussion? Is the Katy bridge currently inactive? How do you cross the river now? Can bikers cross on bike lanes now or with the traffic? Will this bridge be saved just so people can ride their bikes across but no vehicles?
thanks for any clarification on this,
MLH from Overland Park KS on 02/18/2010 10:27 PM
PM, to answer your questions albeit not in order: The bridge is not in use for the Katy trail. As one can see in Ray's pic above, the center section is locked in the up position for barges etc. to pass, hence my questions in the post above. The trail is diverted past the casino and over to a dedicated cement wall protected bike lane on the Highway 40/Main St bridge, than back to the trail on the north side.
Since motorized vehicles are prohibited on the trail, any modifications to it for trail use would be for pedestrian and bike use only one assumes.
As far as the significance of the bridge, besides its historical value, it has been the subject of an ongoing legal battle for several years. Others can probably explain this better than me and it's likely you and everybody else in this forum has followed this so forgive me but in a nutshell:
The Union Pacific planned to dismantle the bridge for its valuable steel such that they could use that to (finally) double track their main line over the Osage River mentioned above. This is a crucial bottleneck for this line. Had the stimulus money not come through and the Booneville bridge dismantled, the status of the Katy trail as "railbanked" (meaning, held in reserve for possible future reactivation as a railroad) would have likely been nulled due to this physical interruption in the right-of-way.
Based on documents from the 19th century, landowners that own the land on which the MKT built the railroad claim that the agreement was for the land to be returned to them if the railbank was broken. To summarize, if the bridge was taken down, it's possible the entire Katy Trial could have been lost. Understandably, there are strong feelings on both sides.
Others may chime in if my facts are bent somewhat but that's how I recall things.
Brian L. from Wichita on 02/23/2010 08:21 PM
Thanks for the explanation, MLH -- this topic had always confused me. :-S Now it makes more sense.
Augusta Brewing Co. (Augusta)
-  + We went to Augusta in February and were pleasantly surprised to find that the Augusta Brewing Co. had live music. There was a festival going on (Shiver Fest I think?). We have been here before, and li...
Discussion started 02/22/2010 06:32 PM by Beth - 0 repliesBeth from Columbia, MO on 02/22/2010 06:32 PM
We went to Augusta in February and were pleasantly surprised to find that the Augusta Brewing Co. had live music. There was a festival going on (Shiver Fest I think?). We have been here before, and like this day, the atmosphere was relaxed, and we had a good time. Food was good, beer was great, staff was friendly. They also have their patio newly enclosed and heated, which was really nice because it was a little cool! We will definately return.
Beth from Columbia, MO on 02/22/2010 06:32 PM
We went to Augusta in February and were pleasantly surprised to find that the Augusta Brewing Co. had live music. There was a festival going on (Shiver Fest I think?). We have been here before, and like this day, the atmosphere was relaxed, and we had a good time. Food was good, beer was great, staff was friendly. They also have their patio newly enclosed and heated, which was really nice because it was a little cool! We will definately return.
new franklin bridge removal
-  + I see on the Modot web site that construction will start Feb 22 to remove the Highway 5 overpass that crosses the Katy Trail at New Franklin. Once the project is finish, trail users will have to deal ...
Discussion started 02/20/2010 09:54 AM by greg - 2 replies (last reply by Ray (webmaster) at 02/22/2010 09:38 AM)greg from glasgow, mt on 02/20/2010 09:54 AM
I see on the Modot web site that construction will start Feb 22 to remove the Highway 5 overpass that crosses the Katy Trail at New Franklin. Once the project is finish, trail users will have to deal with an at-grade crossing of Highway 5.
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 02/21/2010 02:10 PM
Thanks, good info to be aware of. Wonder if they will somehow detour the trail around the construction? Here's a link to the MODot info: http://www.modot.mo.gov/northcentral/news_and_information/District2News.shtml?action=displaySSI&newsId=49040
Ray (webmaster) on 02/22/2010 09:38 AM
According to DNR: "Due to a project on Hwy. 5, the trail is temporarily closed at MM 188.3 (near New Franklin). Detour signs are posted at this location." Don't know how long the detour actually is, but at least they say one is marked.
Claysville
-  + The best food in Boone County. The owners are so gracious and hospitable. Every time we have company in from out of town we take them there and they absolutely love it.
Be sure and save room fo...
Discussion started 10/24/2009 09:14 PM by vicki - 4 replies (last reply by MAH at 02/21/2010 02:14 PM)vicki from Columbia, MO on 10/24/2009 09:14 PM
The best food in Boone County. The owners are so gracious and hospitable. Every time we have company in from out of town we take them there and they absolutely love it.
Be sure and save room for desert, the pies and cheesecake are to die for.
Anonymous on 10/25/2009 09:59 AM
How's your bike ride vicki?
Elaine Herring from Jeff City, Mo. on 02/20/2010 12:52 AM
I highly recomend this hospitable diner. They have great fried chicken and home made rolls. Everything was fresh prepared and was hot when they served you. Just great.
michael rodemeyer from Hartsburg on 02/20/2010 09:50 AM
Mark and Laura Hooibrink started the Claysville Store, along with their three children, as a family project. It started as the kids selling Lemonade along the MKT Trail to make money and its grown from there. It is the best food in Boone County, and the best people running it. They are church going people who really live their beliefs. They train a new group of kids each year to help serve and to learn life. They do so well that Mark was chosen to speak at Graduation last year. Laura makes all the pies and cobbler (they don't go to Sams for it) and the great green beans. The best part is that Mark leaves the kitchen often to greet his customers which is rarely done by other places. You cannot go wrong at the Claysville Store. We love the store and the Hooibrinks. If you make a reservation look under Hooibrink, the store is not listed.
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 02/21/2010 02:14 PM
We stopped there last year for lunch when they stayed open for the day when the DNR Katy Trail ride went through. We had never had a chance before as it seemed our rides didn't coincide with when they were open. We were VERY happy we stopped. Excellent food, Mark had freshly grilled meats, and great conversation. I can see us now planning a ride to coincide with their hours so we can stop again.
Going Green at Rocheport's Katy Boxcar
-  + Who would have thought that a 70-year-old boxcar would ever be the recipient of a "green" renovation! As we restore the Katy Boxcar into the Katy Boxcar Guesthouse at the Katy Trail B&B, we're making ...
Discussion started 03/24/2009 01:14 PM by Brett Dufur - 2 replies (last reply by Brett Dufur at 02/17/2010 10:50 AM)Brett Dufur from Rocheport on 03/24/2009 01:14 PM
Who would have thought that a 70-year-old boxcar would ever be the recipient of a "green" renovation! As we restore the Katy Boxcar into the Katy Boxcar Guesthouse at the Katy Trail B&B, we're making it as eco-friendly as possible. One day we're working with blow in cellulose insulation and paperless sheet rock, the next we're uncovering the original 2 inch thick walnut flooring and working with locally sourced materials. Last week I was dismantling a 65-year-old greenhouse in St. Louis in 35 degree weather to reuse the cypress tongue and groove decking, which will become the new, weather-tight exterior walls on the boxcar... What a journey... It's not every day you get to bring a boxcar back to life! Going green makes sense, and it will also ensure that your stay is as comfortable as can be. So if you pass by the Katy Trail B&B in Rocheport, and you see a few tarps flapping on the Katy Boxcar, please help spread the word that we're making sure it's around for another 70 years! When it's done later this season, it will have 3 spacious beds, its own bathroom with tub/shower combo, and a small kitchenette, and plenty of comfortable space to relax after a BBQ or hot tubing. So whether you are a railroad buff, have a Thomas-the-Tank-Engine-crazy kid (like me!), or just love the Katy Trail, check it out! It's going to be a great place to enjoy Rocheport. All renovations will be complete in time for your summer adventures. See you on the trail!
Brett Dufur from Rocheport on 03/24/2009 01:14 PM
Who would have thought that a 70-year-old boxcar would ever be the recipient of a "green" renovation! As we restore the Katy Boxcar into the Katy Boxcar Guesthouse at the Katy Trail B&B, we're making it as eco-friendly as possible. One day we're working with blow in cellulose insulation and paperless sheet rock, the next we're uncovering the original 2 inch thick walnut flooring and working with locally sourced materials. Last week I was dismantling a 65-year-old greenhouse in St. Louis in 35 degree weather to reuse the cypress tongue and groove decking, which will become the new, weather-tight exterior walls on the boxcar... What a journey... It's not every day you get to bring a boxcar back to life! Going green makes sense, and it will also ensure that your stay is as comfortable as can be. So if you pass by the Katy Trail B&B in Rocheport, and you see a few tarps flapping on the Katy Boxcar, please help spread the word that we're making sure it's around for another 70 years! When it's done later this season, it will have 3 spacious beds, its own bathroom with tub/shower combo, and a small kitchenette, and plenty of comfortable space to relax after a BBQ or hot tubing. So whether you are a railroad buff, have a Thomas-the-Tank-Engine-crazy kid (like me!), or just love the Katy Trail, check it out! It's going to be a great place to enjoy Rocheport. All renovations will be complete in time for your summer adventures. See you on the trail!
Anonymous from Prairie Village on 08/02/2009 10:53 PM
I think that using the old boxcar is awsome! My daughter just loves the
Gertrude Chandler Warner books "The Boxcar Children". That will be a
fun surprise for her to someday stay in a rel boxcar!
Anonymous from Prairie Village on 08/02/2009 10:53 PM
I think that using the old boxcar is awsome! My daughter just loves the
Gertrude Chandler Warner books "The Boxcar Children". That will be a
fun surprise for her to someday stay in a rel boxcar!
Brett Dufur from Rocheport on 02/17/2010 10:50 AM
The Katy Boxcar came out nicer than we expected. It is a cozy space, and everyone says it feels a lot larger on the inside than they expected (for example, a Boxcar has about double the space of a caboose...). We were able to refinish the old Boxcar floors while also including enough comfort and convenience with a top notch shower / restroom that it is definitely part history and part "just what you would hope for." The lofts seem to have a timeless draw for both kids (of course) and older generations too - there's something about being in a unique space like this, similar to cabins, where you just can't help but be in a good mood. We have added quite a few creature comforts to make this a great perch from which to enjoy Rocheport and the Katy Trail. Be sure to peek your head in and check it out next time you're in town, we're proud to show it off!
Brett Dufur from Rocheport on 02/17/2010 10:50 AM
The Katy Boxcar came out nicer than we expected. It is a cozy space, and everyone says it feels a lot larger on the inside than they expected (for example, a Boxcar has about double the space of a caboose...). We were able to refinish the old Boxcar floors while also including enough comfort and convenience with a top notch shower / restroom that it is definitely part history and part "just what you would hope for." The lofts seem to have a timeless draw for both kids (of course) and older generations too - there's something about being in a unique space like this, similar to cabins, where you just can't help but be in a good mood. We have added quite a few creature comforts to make this a great perch from which to enjoy Rocheport and the Katy Trail. Be sure to peek your head in and check it out next time you're in town, we're proud to show it off!
DNR 2010 Katy Trail Ride
-  + School House B+B Inn welcomes you on Wednesday, June 23 when the ride stops in Rocheport. We're offering special pricing for DNR KT riders that night and can take you to Les Bourgeois for dinner and ...
Discussion started 02/16/2010 06:41 PM by Mike - 0 repliesMike from Rocheport on 02/16/2010 06:41 PM
School House B+B Inn welcomes you on Wednesday, June 23 when the ride stops in Rocheport. We're offering special pricing for DNR KT riders that night and can take you to Les Bourgeois for dinner and back to the Inn for a private shower in your room and a great night's rest! Special early time for full hot breakfast and you're off to Sedalia - check it out at www.schoolhousebb.com - looking forward to seeing you in a few months!