Mondays & Tuesdays -
Will from Ottawa on 12/12/2019 08:59 AM
Hi, was doing to research for a 2020 end-to-end west-to-east self-supported ride. I am a first-timer and see over and over again that Mondays and Tuesdays can be a little difficult because shops/restaurants/facilities in some towns are closed those days. Are there specific cities/routes that should be avoided on those days? What are the best days to start a ride from Clinton? Thanks in advance
Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 12/12/2019 09:24 AM
If you plan on spending a Monday night in Sedalia and a Tuesday night in Boonville, you should have no trouble finding shops/restaurants/facilities in those two towns. You shouldn't have problems in Hermann or Jefferson City either.
Otherwise you might want to consider starting on a Wednesday. That would give you 5 riding days to get to St. Charles.
There's a Towns & Services link at the top of the page. It can give you a good idea of which towns have the most services.
Great ride with one bad experience on 08/14/2012 10:08 PM
I just have to share information about trail one mile west of McKittrick. The farmer there does not like bike riders. He mows his grass that contains those nasty puncture vine weeds blowing them onto the trail on purpose. I had 25 thorns in my front tire alone. When you see mowed grass onto the trail, carry your bike across this portion of trail. It will save you a lot of time from changing flat tires.
Doug from Bluffton on 08/15/2012 07:11 AM
Oh you poor Dear. What a tacky thing for him to do!
Anonymous on 08/15/2012 03:50 PM
I noticed the same thing earlier in the summer. Classy!
Also obvious that he has some support on this board...or that he is on the board. Again...classy!
Anonymous on 08/15/2012 07:42 PM
Support on what board? The Katy Trail Board??? The McKitterick Board? What on earth are you talking about?
Gene from Indiana on 08/15/2012 11:29 PM
Very Simple. Spray it. Do not use Roundup (glyphoste 41 generic) as it kills everything. Use a backpack sprayer and spray to his property line. He's probably mowing on trail property. I think that is that Texax "goathead" sand burr. Look for triclopyr in the herbacide product such as Ortho's Brush-B-Gon which is probably 6% triclopyr. If it's a leafy plant, 2-4D will work too. Use 3 oz per gallon of water.
I'm using Garlon 3A for our invasive plants in our woods. Somebody get Missouri Parks on this problem.
Anonymous on 08/16/2012 10:24 PM
I am assuming they meant this MESSAGE BOARD...another name for a "comment forum".
Kevin from Jefferson City on 08/18/2012 03:17 PM
I talked to some DNR folks working the trail this weekend. They have been clearing the thorns at McKittrick, Machens and other spots where they have popped up.
I met a family at McKittrick who found one in their tire just from going across the parking lot. Another couple from Peoria pulled one out of a tire a couple miles down the road.
These thorns thrive in sandy dry soil, which is probably why they are so prevalent this year. They can lay dormant for several years and then pop up when conditions are right.
Jim from St. Thomas on 08/18/2012 03:36 PM
Let's not jump to the conclusion that the guy had malicious intent. Maybe he just likes things to look neat in front of his house.
Buddy from Jefferson City on 08/22/2012 10:32 PM
Beware. These burrs are really flourishing on the south side of the parking lot at the trailhead in Jefferson City, too.
Rich Lauer from Hermann on 08/23/2012 11:46 AM
I drove almost one and one-half miles searching for this thorny stretch. I did find about 300 feet of cuttings on the trail. If you encounter situations like this please contact us immediately with the exact distance from the Mckittrick Trail head. I took a leaf blower to to what I hope was the problem. I talked to the local farmer and he indicated he wouldn't have any desire to cut on DNR property. Look somewhere else for the culprit if this was the location.
Anonymous from KC, MO on 09/11/2012 05:17 PM
Mile marker 90 was the culprit this past weekend for our group. 3 of 7 bikes had flats - one bike had 3 flats (that's an entirely different story)
Don't recall seeing grass on the trail - or anything indicative of malicious intent. But there were more than 50 thorns in one set of bike tires.
Jim from St. Louis on 09/12/2012 09:54 PM
Was anybody running them--do the Kevlar tires offer any protection against these thorns as they claim.
Pam O from Independence on 09/12/2012 11:22 PM
Guess the next time I ride the Katy I need to do some tire work by putting puncture proof liners in my tires.
DSD on 09/16/2012 05:55 AM
I would recommend if you do much riding on the KT you invest in some kevlar lined tires (Schwalbe, Specialized, Bontanger, etc.). As the Tires on the Katy comment string mentioned it will save you from these nasty thorn flats.
MidSouth from Rogersville, Mo on 09/16/2012 07:22 AM
We rode from St. Charles to Machens and back yesterday. No flat, no thorns. Did see one rider with a flat.
Kevster from Ada, OK on 09/16/2012 12:03 PM
just finished the ride across Katy and the day in McKittrick and Rhineland served us with 3 flats on two bikes.
Anonymous on 09/17/2012 11:46 PM
Are solid tires thornproof? Are kevlar tires flat proof? What about fillling my tires with that green goop?
Dana P from smithville mo on 09/18/2012 11:41 PM
Sunday 9/16. 3 flats on 2 bikes from these thorns. Picked up in booneville area. Next ride columbus day weekend w 12 year old daughter. Have yet to personally change a tube, but will get kevlar lined and practice, since just us gals!
Anonymous on 09/22/2012 08:23 PM
We were proud of ourselves for getting through the Rhineland-McKittrick area with no thorns after hearing of someone with 26 (stayed on the right heading east, or the side closest to 94). But then we got some around Marthasville. Pack a pair of tweezers to get them out!
Buddy from Jefferson City on 09/22/2012 10:21 PM
Don't ride or push your bikes through any of the grass around the trailheads at Treloar and Marthasville. There were lots of goat head burrs growing there last Tuesday, and also at the Warren/Montgomery County signpost.
Robin from Macon on 09/24/2012 08:06 AM
Rode Jeff City to Dutzow on Saturday --- 3 flats for us and many more for other riders that we encountered. Ours did not start happening until about Tealor.
Jim from St. Louis on 09/24/2012 10:05 AM
Two of us rode yesterday from McKittrick to Treloar without problems--did run Kevlar tires, but didn't see any riders changng flats.
Anonymous on 09/25/2012 08:21 AM
4 flats between 3 bikes between Mokane and Rhineland yesterday. Thank goodness we wrote down the Hermann bike shop # posted at Mokane. He saved us!! & those burrs were the culprits
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 09/25/2012 11:24 AM
Always appreciate a heads up...we will be going through that area in a few weeks.
Shayne from Wentzville on 09/29/2012 10:27 PM
I just rode from Weldon Springs to Steedman and back to Weldon Springs today and had no issues with thorns or flats
Hank from New Have, MO on 09/30/2012 07:06 PM
Hermann to McKittrick to Treloar and back today, no flats. We're riding normal cheap tires. Lots of walnuts and squirrels on the trail. Leaves already changing.
BILL from JEFFERSON CITY, MO on 10/02/2012 10:48 PM
I rode between McKittrick and Rhineland round trip today. Based upon this thread, I was super careful to avoid grass clippings. My Catrike has 3 opportunities for thorns instead of 2. I was lucky, but I encountered someone who was not so lucky. This was about 1 mile West of McKittrick. He showed me the thorn as he was changing his tire. Lots of leaves on the trail now in wooded areas and lots of walnuts. Leaves are just beginning to turn.
BILL from JEFFERSON CITY on 10/03/2012 07:37 PM
As I was cleaning up the Catrike this morning from yesterday's ride between McKittrick and Rhineland, I discovered a thorn still lodged in one of my tires. Fortunately, it was in the thickest part of the tread and the tires have only around 200 miles on them. It did not penetrate the tire and get to the tube. My tires are Schwalbe Marathon Racers (standard on the Catrike) and I think they have kevlar bands. I was grateful for not having a flat.
denise wallace from Fulton on 10/06/2012 06:42 PM
We just rode through there this week. We got the heads up from other riders.We walked our bikes through cut grass and ended up with only one flat tire. We saw the farmer cutting. Not sure it was on purpose. He was just cutting. Ride down the middle and walk through cut grass!
merkin4 from St Peters MO on 10/09/2012 02:24 PM
I rode St. Charles to Machens on Saturday - got a flat Frontier Park on the way back. Changed the tube and was about to start up again and heard the hiss start up again. Decided to call it a day. Managed 60 miles on Sunday, though. The flat happened even with Kevlar bands. I just bought a super-heavy-duty Slime tube for the front tire, and will install that this week.
Stopped on my Sunday ride to help a gentleman who'd been in a crash. A reminder to all you riders - Karma points are a good thing to earn. Two minutes of my time saved the guy several miles of walking with a locked-up wheel.
Darrylth from Union, MO on 10/14/2012 08:15 PM
Two weeks ago we road from Treloar to Dutzow and had three flats on three bikes. We pulled out probably 10 thers that didn't cause a flat (we have the self sealing tires - though they do not always work). This week we road from Augusta to Marthasville and didn't have any problems.
Doug from Edwardsville, IL on 10/15/2012 06:35 PM
Rode the entire trail last week, 2 hybrids and one 2-wheel trailer. Got a flat on the trailer near Pilot Grove on an unprotected tire. The hybrids had thorn-resistant tubes and tires. We kept looking for goatheads but did not see any. But we were careful around clippings and appreciate the heads-up from others here.
Bill Penland from Ottawa, KS on 10/16/2012 06:23 AM
A buddy and I rode the trail end to end (Clinton to Machens) this past Weds-Sat. We had much trepidation about this section of trail due to this thread, but thankfully never flatted. We did use a lot of caution from roughly Portland to Dutzow to try to ride over NOTHING organic - no clippings, no leaves, no branches, etc.
Happily we got through without issue - however, next afternoon I DID notice one thorn in my outer tire rubber. It hadn't penetrated through to the tube, and since I saw it in the afternoon, I may well have picked it up somewhere further east of Dutzow (the start of our last day).
Will from Ottawa on 12/12/2019 08:56 AM
Mondays & Tuesdays -- Hi, was doing to research for a 2020 end-to-end west-to-east self-supported ride. I am a first-timer and see over and over again that Mondays and Tuesdays can be a little difficult because shops/restaurants/facilities in some towns are closed those days. Are there specific cities/routes that should be avoided on those days? What are the best days to start a ride from Clinton? Thanks in advance
Early April conditions and weather -
GingerKitty from Ontario, Canada on 12/08/2019 11:00 AM
My partner and I have the first two weeks of April off and are hoping to do a cycling trip on the Katy Trail. We did the GAP/C&O last June and LOVED it. I've read some mixed reviews about the kinds of conditions of the trail for that time of year. I also understand that it's a bit before the start of the season so some things might be less serviced. Can anyone who has done the trail in early April give me some more feedback about this time of year? We don't mind getting a bit wet, but is it likely to be flooded (trail closures) and miserable the whole time? Will there be a lot of early wild flowers? Will we have any problem finding a place to sleep and eat along the way at that time of year?
Thanks in advance!
Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 12/09/2019 08:17 AM
Many businesses, restaurants, and B&Bs are closed on Monday's and Tuesday's near the trail. You might want to start your adventure on a Wednesday.
There should be plenty of flowers blooming that time of year. The old saying is "April showers bring May flowers" so it can be wet that time of year. Fat tires and fenders can help if the trail is wet.
Flooding is an issue. 2019 had some of the worst floods on record and parts of the trail were still flooded into July. Hopefully 2020 won't be anywhere near as bad.
Bill in Houston from Houston on 12/09/2019 11:03 AM
We rode it in mid-April in 2019. This was BEFORE the terrible floods.
We could definitely tell that we were there before the season.
The trail was relatively quiet, which was nice.
You could tell that the State Parks folks use Spring to do maintenance, and a few projects weren't quite finished yet, so we ended up with a few detours.
The B&Bs weren't yet full, which was nice for us. I think most of them were in operation, even if it was just a "the place is unlocked and breakfast is in the fridge" kind of thing. We didn't use any campgrounds, so I can't really vouch for them.
The redbuds were beautiful. I don't really remember any other wildflowers, and I would usually remember that...
Most of the tiny stores and bar&grill places where you would want to find food are not seasonal, and were open for us. Some breweries and wineries weren't quite open yet. But remember that even a lot of the year round places have odd, unpredictable hours that they don't always stick to. It's worth contacting them ahead of time to make sure you have a good contact number, and then also contacting the day before you arrive to see if they are actually going to be open.
If you're looking for a great adventure before it gets too hot, then April seems good to me. If you're looking for the full deluxe everything going at full tilt Katy Trail experience, you need to wait until June.
If you have any questions, just ask!
Papa Jake's Donut Shop in Sedalia -
Nancy Sims-Vanburen from Sedalia on 12/07/2019 01:21 PM
How long has Papa Jake's been in business..
Rw from New minden on 12/08/2019 07:49 AM
As far back as I can remember so at least 50 years
Pleasant Hill Lake in Pleasant Hill -
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Does the Pleasant Hill Lake CG have any toilet and/or shower facilities? If so, what? Tailwinds, John