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Boonville to Hartsburg
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Pam from Lawrence on 01/17/2020 06:27 PM
What can you tell me about the trail from Boonville to Hartsburg? Is it still flooded? Passable?


Large group seeking current trail condition info
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Dubby from St Louis on 01/17/2020 11:30 AM
We have a group of about 35 riders that plan to travel Clinton to St. Charles the second week of June (the week before the DNR ride). We have been riding the Katy end-to-end for about 20 years, so we're rather experienced.

We know the bridge at Salt Creek is out and will very likely not be open before our trip. We have ridden the Hwy 40 detour before and will use that again.

The bridge at Bigelow Creek is out according to the DNR website. Is there any hope for it being open again by June? If I recall correctly, that stretch of Hwy 94 is rather hilly and twisty. Is my memory correct? Is there a better detour?

There's mention on the web of a bridge near Herman being out, but the exact location is not mentioned. Is the bridge still out? Is it east or west of Herman?

Are there any other outages that are not "walkable" that I haven't mentioned?

Thx.


Dutzow to Washington river bridge crossing
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Woodchuck from knoxville on 05/10/2019 07:57 AM
I am riding with my son in June and need to get from Dutzow to Washington. Is the bike path across the river bridge usable or will it be by mid June?

 
Tyann (Katy Haus and Bank Haus) from Marthasville on 05/10/2019 08:23 AM
It is not open yet, and they have no set date on when it will be open. They have to finish removing the old bridge and piers from the river and repair the north side of the road connecting to the bike path before it will open. I have my doubts it will be done by mid June, but definitely keep checking on it.

 
Dave from Kirkwood on 05/10/2019 09:56 AM
There have been a couple topics related to the new bridge recently. FYI - although the separate bike/ped lane is not open yet, there is a WIDE shoulder on the bridge that can be used (next to the vehicle traffic). The only challenge that I saw (about a month ago) would be getting onto and off the bridge, given some construction work (shoulder disappearing near ends, so would need to wait for opening in traffic).


 
Hank on 05/11/2019 10:26 AM
Not sure how old your son is but at this point the ride between Dutzow and Washington is not great. The shoulders are not the best and the pavement narrows on the southbound approach to the bridge making it a little tricky. Once you are on the bridge it is fine but getting there is not the best.

 
Doug from Bluffton on 05/11/2019 03:16 PM
About half way from Dutzow to Augusta you can take Augusta Bottom Rd around to the right and come out on 47 just before the new bridge on 47. You can also call for a shuttle from a bike shop in Washington or you can stop at Dutzow trailhead and wait for someone in a pickup and offer cash in exchange for ride over the bridge. This last has worked well for friends and I several times.

 
Globe Hotel Bed and Breakfast from Hartsburg, MO on 05/12/2019 09:53 AM
Doug, We missed you at our Potluck this spring. Get in touch with us sometime. (573) 657- 4529 Mark & Leaia Clervi
Globe Hotel Bed and Breakfast, Hartsburg, MO

 
Will from Ottawa on 01/13/2020 06:04 PM
Hi, was wondering if anyone had updates on the bridge situation. Was planning on riding from Dutzow into Washington this Spring, if not too dangerous.

 
Tyann from Katy Haus and Bank Haus in Marthasville on 01/13/2020 06:19 PM
No progress on the bike path on the bridge opening yet. The water levels have been too high for any work to be done unfortunately.


McBaine Bur Oak
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Kevin Fetner from Walla Walla, WA on 01/13/2020 02:09 PM
I know this tree. I had a farm about five miles from Rocheport in the 80's/90's. We had a solo Bur Oak only slightly smaller than this one. I measured them both. My tree had been hit by lightening earlier in its life. As a consequence it grew out like an umbrella instead of up. It was magnificent. I could have 300-400 sheep sleeping there in the shade on a hot summer day. The farm was all broken up and sold seemingly at random. But, I'm betting the tree is still there and worthy of historical recognition.


NEED info
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Eddie S. from Paris on 01/11/2020 10:58 AM
Planning to ride the trail last week in April 2020 and have a few questions . First i've been reading about trail closings and bridges being closed. On sections that are closed due to flooding, construction or what ever is the detour clearly marked. Second just how isolated are you? averaging 60 miles per day starting at Clinton are you able to find stores or services easily? I biked across Louisiana last summer with just a med. handlebar bag and a Camelbak.Looks like a solo trip so is a Late April a good time or would you recommend riding later in the year. Too many questions i know but any info at all would be greatly appreciated . You can email if youd like sikesp1961@hotmail.com with suggestions or advice . T

 
ArkyKenny on 01/11/2020 06:26 PM
1) The detours are minimal and well marked. 2) Late April is as good a time as any. Be prepared for Spring rains. 3) 60 miles a day is good. I recommend trips into Jeff City (another 10 miles), and Columbia (20 miles round trip on the spur from Hindman Junction). Also consider a trip into Herman. 3) Services on the trail in non-peak times and on Mon-Wed can be very limited, but you can always get food and shelter in the towns, convenience stores, restaurants, etc.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 01/13/2020 11:47 AM
Further to what ArkyKenny said, if you ride 60 miles per day, you will ride through plenty of places to resupply. But, they won't fall exactly where you want. So you might have to stock up, and ride another 15 miles to where you spend the night.

"They" say that late April is the rainy season, so be ready for that.


Mokane Lions Club Park in Mokane
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DougT from Tulsa on 01/09/2020 10:47 AM
Are there shower facilities?

 
Doug from Bluffton on 01/09/2020 09:08 PM
There are not. The bunkhouse in Tebbetts does as well as Brownells camping in Portland, The Bluffton Barn and Steamboat Junction in Bluffton in season.


Question about starting location
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Margaret from Amherst, OH on 01/06/2020 07:13 PM
Hi All, We are planning a bi-family bike trip on the Katy Trail for this summer ( early June). This will be our third trip together - previously doing the GAP and C&O and last summer the Erie Canal Trail. We want to make the trip a bit longer and I was thinking since one family may be flying into St Louis, of starting either in Harrisonville, which would mean we would ride to Clinton ( about 30 miles or so) but how is that route 7? The other option would be to start up at Pleasant Hill on the new Rock Island Spur and ride to Windsor- stay the night- then to Clinton- but I am having a hard time finding lodging near Pleasant Hill. Does anyone know what the road would be like from Harrisonville or of any lodging near Pleasant Hill for a group of about 13 riders? Thanks.

 
Margaret from Amherst, OH on 01/06/2020 07:25 PM
Oh I meant the family will be flying into Kansas City!

Margaret

 
Anonymous on 01/07/2020 03:37 PM
Margaret,
I live in Harrisonville and have done the trail three times. I'm pretty sure that I can answer all your questions. My email address is loriemb2811@gmail.com.

Lorie

 
Anonymous on 01/08/2020 10:19 AM
Answers on this open forum may benefit others who have similar questions.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 01/09/2020 12:51 PM
Going to Columbia would add time and distance. It's supposed to be a cool place.

Hermann is also a bit of a side trip, and is also supposed to be fun.

If you aren't overnighting in Jeff City, at least ride over to Central Dairy and get ice cream. You get to ride the big spiral ramp and see the capitol up close. Plus, ice cream. :)

We skipped the winery side trips, but those also add time and distance.


Prescription Glasses Found
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Cee Jaye Pecorak from Rocheport on 01/05/2020 06:22 PM
Prescription glasses (Ralph Lauren) found in a Maui Jim zippered Case (with a soft fabric Hawaiian cover inside). They were left at the Lost and Found at Meriwether Cafe and Bike Shop in Rocheport. respond if you want to claim them...


Rocheport tunnel status?
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ArkyKenny on 01/03/2020 11:02 PM
I heard rumor that the tunnel was open. Any truth to that? I thought there was catastrophic damage and it was closed indefinitely. Anybody? Any news?

 
Allen from Shawnee on 01/04/2020 08:24 AM
All reports I have read says it’s open. There is bridge across Salt creek a few miles west of the tunnel that is not passable and may be a while before it’s repaired. The recommended detour is on 40 hiway, however there is a gravel alternative if you don’t like road riding. Scroll down the forum a few posts there is a thread discussing this issue and the detours.

 
Allen from Shawnee on 01/04/2020 08:30 AM
The title of the thread is opening/ finished dates

 
Anonymous from Harrisburg, MO on 01/04/2020 07:33 PM
Hi! The tunnel is open and you can ride approximately 3 miles West to Salt Creek before having to turn around to head back to Rocheport. Being that close to the damage is much different than the view from the Hwy 40 bridge.


Riding from West end to East end
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WDK1965 from Howell, MI on 12/30/2019 11:25 AM
My wife and I have done many of the US's best Rails to trails and are now planning a trip this summer to ride the Katy trail. Since we will be driving in from Michigan, we would like to park our car somewhere on the east end, and shuttle or ride the train to the west end, where we can then start biking. Can anyone help me understand the best way to navigate that?

I've looked at the Amtrak option, but it doesn't seem like it starts/end near the trail and doesn't give you the option to do the entire trail? Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 12/30/2019 12:16 PM
If you don't mind doing a supported ride, I suggest the Katy Trail Ride 2020. The official details haven't been released yet, but should be similar to this one. Note that it was cancelled last year due to flooding. It may well start in St. Charles in 2020 which would be a East to West ride.

https://mostateparks.com/2019ktride

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 12/30/2019 01:50 PM
I just noticed that the link above is actually for 2020. I bet that they change the 2019 to 2020 shortly.

Looks like it will be going from West to East which is what you are looking for.

 
Anonymous on 12/30/2019 04:31 PM
There are shuttle services that will take you to your location of choice. Also, some B&B’s offer shuttles. The Trip Planner will help you locate a shuttle company. I’d consider that if I wanted to ride the entire trail.

All that aside, I would reconsider the idea of riding the “entire trail.” For most riders the section between St Charles and Machens is hardly worth the effort and time spent to ride. It has little to offer other than bragging rights. The same has been said for the section between Clinton and Sedalia. There are other ways to spend time along the trail that better justify vacation dollars. The MKT trail to Columbia, wineries and the states oldest wine cellar in Hermann, Central Dairy and the state capital in Jefferson City, etc are noteworthy. Some folks like far remote areas but when traveling we prefer the highlights in favor of the mundane.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 01/02/2020 03:22 PM
You can park at the Community Rec Center in Clinton. The trail starts a few hundred yards from there.

We liked the section from Clinton to Sedalia. But different people like different stuff.

There are a few shuttle services available. They can be expensive unless you are part of a group.

If I did it again, I would...
drive to Clinton
Ride to St Charles
Uber to Amtrak
Amtrak back to Sedalia
Ride back to Clinton

I agree with skipping St Charles to Machens.




 
Gman from Erie PA on 01/03/2020 07:01 AM
To WDK 1965 Any trail suggestions for Michigan. Particularly the Traverse City area

 
Hank on 01/04/2020 10:03 AM
I disagree rather strongly with not riding between Clinton and Sedalia. It is very enjoyable.

I would use a shuttle service, parking in St. Charles and then shuttling to Clinton. This is the simplest solution.

 
Allen from Shawnee on 01/04/2020 12:08 PM
Having done the whole trail multiple times, this is how I would do it. I would park my car at the Amtrak station in Kirkwood MO., they allow this, just tell them, (be sure to book space for your bikes well in advance, they only have 4 per train). Then take the train to Sedalia and ride back to St Charles. Then get an Uber or some ride back to my car in Kirkwood, then come back to get the bikes in St. Charles. You can ride from St Charles to Kirkwood but you would need to be comfortable with riding city streets. There are routes available on this site to get there. I feel getting an Uber to haul 2 bikes and luggage might be difficult.
I know everyone feels differently about the parts of the trail they like. This is just my opinion based on ease and cost of transportation, plus experience of riding the trail.

Whatever you do have a good trip and be sure to stop and smell the roses.


Trail conditions from Easley to Hartsburg
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Allen from Shawnee on 01/04/2020 09:01 AM
I haven’t heard much about this section of trail. Have repairs been made so it is rideable now? Last I read it was extremely difficult to get through it. Is there a detour if not rideable?


New bridge near the Klondike boat launch is in place
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Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 01/03/2020 12:54 PM
The new bridge next to Klondike boat launch (around MM 64) is in place. The work on the bridge should be complete by the end of January 2020.


Opening/Fisnished Dates
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John Nettles, KAMO Coordinator from Tulsa on 12/23/2019 09:21 PM
The KAMO Bicycle Touring Group is contemplating doing parts of the RI & KT for its annual spring tour. While I have read all the MO SP Temp closures, Trail conditions, etc., I can't find an estimated finish date for the currently closed sections along the trail. Does anyone know if the KT will be completely repaired by May 15, 2020? Tailwinds, John. P.S. Feel free to join the KAMO Bicycle Touring Group on Facebook if you want to join your fellow touring cyclists from KS, AR, MO, & OK on tours.

 
bikerdudette from Wentzville on 12/27/2019 06:40 AM
Good question! I walk dogs out of Hermann on the Katy and there is one bridge by 94 that they have closed. Fortunately I can walk right around it. In all honestly the bridge looks fine, can't see anything that makes me think me and my dogs could knock it over. Same w/Rocheport bridge. I have seen no signs of any work being done on either. The Rocheport bridge really puts a damper on thru trips. Not to mention B&B business. I plan to do a thru Fall trip in 2020. Anyone have alternative to getting around Rocheport bridge besides riding on the HWY? I think that is the only real obstacle you will run in to on a thru trip. I think most other things you can get around, or are small enough they will be fixed (I hope) by next Spring.

 
Mark Pace from Independence on 12/27/2019 07:15 PM
The Rocheport bridge over Moniteau Creek (AND the tunnel) are now both finally open, with the trail surface in great shape. Rode across both yesterday. There are still signs on the east approach of the bridge that warn "bridge out" but the bridge is wide open, with all the barriers and 'no trespassing' signs removed.

 
bikerdudette from Wentzville on 12/28/2019 06:34 AM
OH wonderful! Thank you Mark!

 
Karen C. from Harrisburg, MO on 12/30/2019 07:07 AM
Three of us rode West of Rocheport yesterday (December 29th) and that bridge is still out. You can ride about 3 miles beyond the tunnel before you come to the barrier. Big pile of debris...wide gap where the creek is running through...part of the bridge that was pushed off the pilings, etc. So for now the 'work-a-round' would still be the highway out of Rocheport.

I am glad to hear about the areas that are being rebuilt! Slowly but surely!

 
Allen from Shawnee on 12/30/2019 12:38 PM
Pretty sure two different bridges are being discussed in this thread. The Moniteau creek bridge is close to the tunnel in Rocheport. The bridge further west that is still out is over Salt creek, this is the one causing the detour now. This bridge is close to where 40 hiway crosses over the Katy trail.

 
Mark Pace from Independence on 12/30/2019 07:39 PM
Yes, the Salt Creek bridge near mile #181 was blown off its moorings in Spring of 2019, and the creek itself eroded much wider there.
Do not know, but hope that MAY get reconnected (at some fairly great expense) in 2020.
Until then, New Franklin-Rocheport trail users will still need to detour on 40 HWY -- and in that case, the tunnel and the Moniteau Creek bridge are just missed, unless you backtrack just 1/8 mile or so each way to ride thru the tunnel (probably well worth it! IMO.) I think I read on this forum that the auto bridge (the detour) is also slated for replacement fairly soon.
You can see photos of the Salt Creek bridge disaster here:
https://bikekatytrail.com/trail-condition-report.aspx

 
bikerdudette from Wentzville on 01/01/2020 06:45 AM
Thanks for letting me/everyone know about the bridges. That sure puts a damper on things. Hope they have rebuilding Salt Creek Bridge as their priority!

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 01/01/2020 02:33 PM
Here's a couple of links of how to bypass that problem area without using Hwy 40. Evidently the bypass has gravel roads on it

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30955310

https://mobikefed.org/2019/12/flooding-closes-katy-trail-section-west-rocheport-indefinitely-here-better-more-scenic-low?fbclid=IwAR0FIz8B8fbYVJ2faEwMezouIYsz98zMgTzDje0_Wpk6w-r84lUZ8vCixVc

The Summer 2019 floods severely damaged a bridge west of Rocheport and the Rocheport Tunnel.

Upshot is, a four-mile section of the Katy Trail west of Moniteau Creek (which is just on the west side of Rocheport, near the Rocheport Tunnel) is closed indefinitely.

The recommended detour is to take 240 north out of Rocheport, then Hwy 40 west to Salt Creek, where you can re-join the Katy Trail.

That is a feasible bypass--but Hwy 40 has no shoulders and is growing ever-busier. The route includes a big, slow climb up the Missouri River Bluffs.

So is there a better route? If you don't mind riding on some gravel roads and seeing some AMAZING scenery and area history, the answer is a resounding yes.

The alternate route takes you through Diana Bend Conservation area (side trip to the Moniteau Bluffs overview possible) and the amazing Davisdale Conservation area.

When we rode the route to check it out in Fall 2019, we saw exactly one motor vehicle on the entire route.

It's worth a look--and passes right by some beautiful camp sites, too.

Check it out:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30955310

The route does have about 560 feet more climbing than the Hwy 40 option, but it is only about 1/10th mile longer.

The first 2/3 of a mile north from Rocheport is on a paved minor state highway; the remainder is on low traffic, scenic county gravel roads. The surface on the county gravel roads is generally just slightly lower-quality than the soft-surface Katy Trail.

If you would like to compare with the State Parks recommended detour on Hwy 40, here is that detour:

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/30955310

Link: Flooding closes Katy Trail section west of Rocheport indefinitely--here is a BETTER, more scenic, low-traffic Katy Trail detour for that section - MoBikeFed

 
bikerdudette from Wentzville on 01/02/2020 07:00 AM
Thank you Jerry! I am going to look at your routes here. We do not want to get on highways! Am hoping they will replace the bridge and open the trail by next Fall, but nice to know we have a safe detour. Thank you.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 01/02/2020 03:14 PM
Jerry Whittle, that looks like a great ride-around. Thanks!

That Salt Creek washout looked like it was going to take a long time to fix.


2020 Katy Trail Ride announced
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Jerry Whittle from Belleville Illinois on 01/01/2020 05:52 PM
https://mostateparks.com/2020ktride

June 22-26. Sign-ups start on March 1st.

Hopefully it won't flood this year and the trail is in good shape after all the destruction last year.



Looking for some info
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Gman from Erie PA on 12/24/2019 08:59 AM
Did a bunch of the Katy last year and this forum was extremely helpful. Does anyone know of a similar forum that would be useful in the Traverse City area of Michigan. Would like to check out some rail trails in that area and would like more info than I can get from TrailLink

 
Anonymous on 12/25/2019 09:04 PM
Searching Traverse City rail trails yields several results. One of which had a forum.

There is a lot of information online although no websites that I found such as this.

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