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Thom G from Alton on 04/15/2021 04:18 PM
Are there any forums or how to's on running the katy 50/50?

Which tour company should I use?
Matthew Olszewski from Skaneateles on 03/29/2021 07:07 PM
Would like to do a clinton to st charles tour this fall. Looking at Noble bike touring and Crossroads touring. Prefer self guided just need help with lodgings and shuttle to stzrt of ride.
Would appreciate any info

Californiagogirl from Moraga California on 03/31/2021 02:11 AM
We are looking at those two companies for self guided plus luggage transfer for a trip in June, too. I'll be interested in any replys you receive.

Mapmedic from KCMO on 03/31/2021 12:38 PM
Noble Invention looks like an interesting tour company. I found them watching YouTube Katy trail videos....also a good source of info. I’m planning my trip and want to ride kansas to Illinois including Royals stadium to Cardinals stadium. A few ideas/things: Amtrak goes from KC to St Louis and it’s cheap. They take four bikes per train at $10/bike by reservation. The Rock Island trail is days/weeks from officially opening the extension from Lee’s summit (a KC suburb) to Truman Sports complex (Arrowhead stadium and Kauffman stadiums) One could ride from there to Lee’s Summit where the Rock Island has a nine mile undeveloped gap between there and Pleasant Hill where the Rock Island picks up again.....then to Windsor where the Katy Trail intersects....them east to St Louis. My plan is to either hop across the Mississippi directly to Alton after the Katy ends OR ride up to the Grafton Ferry to Illinois and take their trails down to St Louis area crossing at the scenic Chain of Rocks bridge. Final destinations are Arch and Cardinals for no particular reason. Amtrak home.

Kathleen from Oolitic, IN on 04/04/2021 02:10 PM
I planned my end to end trip using this site. No need for a tour company. Also, you can get a pretty good idea of what lodgings the tour companies use just by looking at their itineraries. Planning was half the fun for me. If you need any ideas, I'm happy to help :)

Biker Chick 515 from Topeka, KS on 04/05/2021 12:10 PM
Kathleen -

I'd love to talk to you about planning - we are trying to plan an end to end trip for this coming fall. How do we contact each other off of the forum so as not to have a bunch of personal info on the forum? Can you e-mail me directly? laura.lawler@gmail.com

Biker Chick 515 from Topeka, KS on 04/05/2021 12:10 PM
Kathleen -

I'd love to talk to you about planning - we are trying to plan an end to end trip for this coming fall. How do we contact each other off of the forum so as not to have a bunch of personal info on the forum? Can you e-mail me directly? laura.lawler@gmail.com

Patch 62 from Peoria IL on 04/13/2021 07:50 AM
Independent Tourist has provided great tours on the Katy Trail for 18 years. Google Independent Tourist and scroll past the error message to the web site.

fancysnowpants from minneapolis on 04/15/2021 11:54 AM
So, we are also planning to do the Katy Trail in the Fall. I got over zealous when I saw the blueprints offered by Noble Inventions Bike Touring - and I bought the $200 blueprint. It was worthless. Honestly, I barely looked at it because the one itinerary they offered for a 7 day trip was for 1-2 people. They offered one place to stay at each location (mostly expensive BnBs) We are a group of 4 and I just researched my own plan staying at Airbnb locations. I don't mean to roast them, but it offered very little.

Parking near St Charles during a one week cycling trip
Mark from Ohio on 04/15/2021 08:12 AM
Planning to bike the Katy from Kansas City to St Charles. Looking to park a car near the Katy Trail in St Charles area for one week. Any good options?

Mapmedic from KCMO on 04/15/2021 10:15 AM
Their is a huge public parking lot adjacent to the trail in St Charles, at Frontier Park and L & C boat house/museums. I saw the Katy Trail public parking sign using street view. A clever option for possibly more secure (my opinion) parking is to use the parking garage at the Ameristar Casino. Get a players club/member card and throw it on your dash, possibly leave a note with your cell number and possibly call security or guest services in advance.....maybe even stay one night before or after your trip. Like anywhere, leave NOTHING visible of ANY value visible in your car to include coins, any sort of bag, etc....what may seem worthless to you might be tempting to a thief, tweaker, etc.

Flooding impacts this week?
Marjorie J from Norfolk, Va on 04/13/2021 11:54 AM
Accuweather says flooding at Mokane and Hermann - anyone observing impacts? thx!

MapMedic from KCMO on 04/13/2021 08:55 PM
I suspect the trail will be safe for awhile. Rationale: it is unprofitable for trains to be stopped and not moving cargo. Obviously its not a working line, but it once was. There is probably going to take moderate flooding to effect the trail.

walking the trail?
Eran Reem from Oveland park ks on 04/07/2021 12:06 PM
Hi all,
My daughter and I thought about walking the trail from Kansas City to Saint Louis.
I would be glad if you can help us:
1. Is it safe?
2. are there any good spots to sleep on the way (in a tent or just outside).
3. any other recommendations.


Dave from Kirkwood on 04/09/2021 10:17 AM
There is lots of information on the website here that should help you with your questions:

1. Safety - see the FAQ link off main page:

Most people think the trail is very safe, but you might have your own ideas if being in remote areas and camping alone are issues.

2. Sleeping is limited to campgrounds and hotels/B&Bs. There is not really any open camping (or stealth camping) along the trail. See this page for camping options:

3. I recommend reading the trip reports from other hikers and see how they managed to pull off the challenging feat.

I think the main challenges would be finding camping every night at the right distance (hotels and B&Bs would add more options) and making sure you have access to food and water as needed (stores and restaurants can sometimes be closed, so call ahead for critical needs).

Dan Paradis from Hooksett New Hampshire on 04/12/2021 07:28 PM
There are also Hostels right on the trail including a free church one I stayed at twice on my yo-yo bike trip. I also did stealth camp twice also but they discourage it. If you hike to Sunset and get up at Sunrise shouldn't be a problem.
Am also planning a thru-hike of the trail this Oct. If you would like any info from my out @ back bike trip. I journaled the entire trip on Trail Journals.com Have Fun. Its a great Trail. Terodactyle

Anonymous on 04/13/2021 08:34 AM
They discourage stealth camping because legislation in the state of Missouri is such that trespassing is against the law. Land owners have the right to have you charged with trespass and to vacate their property when you are caught. I'd rather make a coherent decision as to where to lay my head for the night while it was daylight and not at 2 in the morning with an angry land owner deciding for me.

Also, in the big picture, stealth camping does absolutely nothing to build good working relationships between land owners and those who wish to build or maintain trails such as the Katy.

New flooding? Best site to check for up to date advisories? Thx
Marjorie Jackson from Norfolk, VA on 04/11/2021 07:51 PM
Looks like there is some minor flooding going on- when I check the weather from Virginia, getting ready to fly out there. Anyone try to ford Salt Creek lately? Also wondering if there is still a closure at MM 116-118 due to a rock fall? Would appreciate guidance on the best place to look for up to date closures/detours (Friends of Katy Trail Facebook Group, or state park advisory - not sure if this is kept up to date, or this site,...)? THANK YOU, Marjorie

Mapmedic from KCMO on 04/12/2021 05:16 AM
Kimberly posted about this a few hours after you. Basically the water is up in the creek and you need to detour. As for the rock slide it is from a cliff....think about how big cliffs are. I have not been there but this landslide is large enough to be seen in google maps satellite view. It is going to take some engineering and sadly, they have a limited budget for the Katy Trail

Dan Paradis from Hooksett on 04/12/2021 07:18 PM
The rock slide was not difficult to get around. About 5min walking your bike on a stamped down path. Did this last may.

The Detour - Salt Creek
Kimberly Bikes from Lawrence KS on 04/11/2021 10:06 PM
I rode the section between Pilot Grove and Cooper's Landing on Friday and today (Apr. 9 and 11). We dealt with the detour because the water was way up in Salt Creek and it was not possible to cross it. Coming from the New Franklin side, we popped out to Hwy 40 at the trail closing. Yes, this is a two-lane, busy highway with no shoulder and rumble strips at the white line. We shortened up the highway exposure by turning off on a gravel road - #440. It is excellent gravel. It maybe saved around a mile of that awful highway riding. But worth it. Be advised, however, when you ride it back the other way (from Rocheport, headed toward New Franklin), you'll have to climb a good hill as soon as you get on the gravel. I walked part of it because I was fully loaded with gear.

Kimberly Bikes from Lawrence KS on 04/11/2021 10:08 PM
Also, any idea why MODOT or some responsible gov't organization hasn't marked this detour with warning signs for motorists? Some type of high viz sign that says "Katy Trail Detour - watch for cyclists!" would be a great idea. About 3-4 of them, perhaps. It's obvious that this detour is going to be a thing for a while.

Steve from Salida, Co on 04/12/2021 08:39 AM
It looks like Rd 439 kind of goes all the way to the highway near the bridge. Has any tried this road? I’m planning on an East to west ride next week. Thanks for any input.

L and V from Osage on 04/12/2021 11:09 AM
The 440 route is way better than 40 to 240. We called modot and they are getting quotes for a new bridge but won’t be replaced until next year. Sucks because riding the detour in the rain Saturday was awful

Jim from St Thomas on 04/12/2021 05:47 PM
I don’t think MODOT has anything to to do with the Salt Creek bridge. DNR would be the ones dealing with both the Salt Creek bridge and the rockslide west of Portland.

Rock Island Trail to Katy Trail Connection
Thomas B Lee from Naperville on 04/09/2021 12:10 PM
I planned to ride bike from Warrenburg to Sedalia mostly along Rt US 50 in two weeks but then realized that I could use Rock Island Trail to start from Kansas City or Lee's Summit (I am going to take Amtrak from St.Louis). It this connection possible now or recommended? Are there any other cities west of Sedalia that has Amtrak station and more convenient? Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Mark from Lee's Summit on 04/09/2021 01:31 PM
There is an 8 mile gap from the Lee's Summit Amtrak Station to Pleasant Hill where the Rock Island Trail starts its connection to the Katy Trail (in Windsor). There is this: "The Rock Island Trail (Kansas City to Pleasant Hill) Facebook group where lots of low volume routes have been biked to get across that 8 mile gap from the Lee's Summit Amtrak station to Pleasant Hill. Some people like the straightest route that includes about 3 miles of two lane road, no shoulders, and some traffic while I personally like a slightly longer route that includes bike lanes, a few 8' sidewalk trails, residential subdivisions and then finally very low volume county roads. If you are not a Facebook person, then I can describe a route for you as long as you give me an idea about what types of roads you prefer.

Thomas B Lee from Naperville on 04/09/2021 02:05 PM
Mark, thank you very much for your quick reply. Although I have Facebook account I normally don't use it. I visited the page of the group you suggested, but didn't find much info there. Are you suggesting me enter my questions there?
I prefer your type of bike routes - a bit longer but free from commercial traffic.
So this is what I gather from your reply.
Get off Amtrak at Lee's Summit (instead of going further toward KC). There is 8 mile gap in the trail from Lee's Summit toward Windsor that I need to find a detour route.
How would you describe the route you prefer? If the map is already in the Facebook page, please show me how to get to the page. Thank you.

Mark from Lee's Summit on 04/09/2021 04:21 PM
Here is my Google Map Link for the quietest route to get from the Lee's Summit Amtrak station to the Rock Island Trail in Pleasant Hill. Hopefully the site administrator lets this map list stay posted: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/edit?mid=1v1e7j3LB0-pgcDgjESCHlqRLfb9TNTCv&usp=sharing ... Here are some highlights about this route: after you leave the Amtrak parking lot by starting out north, you immediately go down the hill (don't cross the bridge) and turn left onto 2nd Street. 2nd Street has a mini 3' wide unofficial bike lane. You eventually turn left onto Blue Parkway (right past QT) if you need supplies/snacks, work your way along 3rd Street under the Hwy. 50 bridge, and then turn left onto Ward Road. After about 1000' on Ward Road, you will notice a nice 8' wide sidewalk trail begin and you can take a break from the road and ride that nice trail for the next 5 miles straight south to 150 Hwy where you will turn left (fun fact, you will actually cross the section of Rock Island Trail that runs into Kansas City...don't take that trail because it won't connect to Pleasant Hill for another 5-10 years).

Thomas B Lee from Naperville on 04/10/2021 10:22 AM
Thank you, again, Mark. You have been a big help.

mapmedic from KCMO on 04/10/2021 01:48 PM
Two issues: Amtrak doesn't arrive until 850 pm in Lees Summit. I checked on lodging and found a couple of AirBNBs close to downtown Lees Summit. One VRBO which is also one of the three budget hotels about two miles southeast. I live on the opposite side of the city, so my Lees Summit geography is somewhat weak. It appears there are some straight routes south from the hotels that are all east of MO-291. Those routes are probably undesirable to a bicyclist due to traffic speed and lack of a paved shoulder (per streetview) It appears your best bet is backtracking to Marks shared route. By the way, in the Kansas City area we refer to highways by the number first, such as 150 highway or 291 highway. This is apparently opposite from the rest of the country. This does not apply to interstates though.
Amtrak only transports four bicycles per the entire train, even when they have a baggage car available. You are required to reserve a spot at the time of ticket purchase....in advance. After you have your seat in your cart you will have the option at the time of purchase to add extras, such as your bike. It is a $10 fee. No trailers, tandems, or non-traditional two wheel bikes...I think.
I have info about riding from KC downtown, but there would be quite a bit of city riding in order to reach Truman Sports Complex where the Rock Island extension is literally weeks or less from officially opening.....people are riding it now and there is video of this on Facebook group "raytown-rock island trail" look for posts or comments by John Tye. He seems to be kind of a scofflaw but he has good drone video.
If you do decide to start from KC there are plenty of hotels within 1 and 2 miles of Union Station....at downtown prices I'm sure.

Thomas B Lee from Naperville on 04/10/2021 05:37 PM
mapmedic- thank you for very valuable info. Maybe I will take Amtrak to Warrenburg or Sedalia. There are several hotels in the towns not far from the station. You guys are working really hard to make the trail more popular in the country. Hope they complete the trail soon so that people can ride from KC to STL without having to detour. It would be great if people can hike the trail but hikers will need a lot more affordable lodging and eateries.

Kim Henderson - Kim's Cabins from Windsor on 04/11/2021 06:42 AM
Coming into Warrensburg on Amtrak you can take road routes over to the Rock Island and then down to Windsor. You might ask the Chamber of Commerce their suggestion, besides 13 Highway. Folks cycling often the 47 miles Pleasant Hill to Windsor.

Kim Henderson - Kim's Cabins from Windsor on 04/11/2021 06:42 AM
Coming into Warrensburg on Amtrak you can take road routes over to the Rock Island and then down to Windsor. You might ask the Chamber of Commerce their suggestion, besides 13 Highway. Folks cycling often the 47 miles Pleasant Hill to Windsor.

Thomas B Lee from Naperville on 04/11/2021 02:36 PM
Thank you, Kim, for your reply. If I get off Amtrak at Warrensburg, I planned to take local streets/Rock Island Trail to Windsor as you suggested. We need more places like yours along Katy/Rock Island Trail along with cafes/restaurants. Have you heard Camino de Santiago, originally a pilgrimage walk, in (mainly) Spain? They have a long history so they already have the infrastructure (lodging, eateries, cafes) in place. Other countries in Europe (and outside the Europe as well) try to emulate this. They attract several hundreds of thousand walkers a year until this pandemic stopped the crowd.

Davisdale Conservation Area in Rocheport
Anonymous on 04/02/2021 01:34 PM
Are reservations required for the campsite? Thanks.

steve from saint louis on 04/09/2021 02:40 PM
No reservations required there. In general, conservation areas in MO may have primitive camping. If they do, plan for a flat spot to put a tent and maybe a fire ring. Davisdale is no different. You should call them if you have any questions.


Beyond the Trail RV Park, Defiance, MO
steve from saint louis on 04/09/2021 02:36 PM
Just noticed this the other day. New camping option in Defiance, MO.


On south side of trail, opposite Good News Brewing. Has RV's and tent sites.

New Lodging Option In JC
Jim from St Thomas on 04/08/2021 05:53 PM

Flooding? Detours?
Marjorie Jackson from Norfolk, VA on 04/07/2021 07:55 AM
In guidebooks I read about flooded sections of the trail requiring detours (and other kinds of detours). We are biking the entire trail next week - any flooded out areas or detours we should expect? Thanks and we are excited.

Gary from Near Tebbetts on 04/07/2021 08:27 AM
I live about 8 miles east of the North Jefferson trailhead and we have a thunderstorm going on right now. It’s not suppose to produce a lot of rain that would cause flooding, just lighting and thunder.

You never know what to expect, that’s the adventure.

BK from Columbia,MO on 04/07/2021 10:35 AM
Major detour issue on the Katy resulting in a detour is on the Salt Bridge collapse during the flooding in June 2019. Between Rocheport and New Freedom your options are fording the creek at the bridge wash out or a dangerous detour on Hwy 40 for about 2 miles. High volume traffic for this area, two lanes, no shoulder and those wonderful rumble strips right on the fog line and off the road on the right. The fording option is best if no rain for a while. The ford is actually partially paved, thank you farmers. Best of Luck, Katy is awesome!!

Marjorie Jackson from Norfolk, VA on 04/08/2021 07:58 AM
Thanks BK!!! How deep does it get when you ford the creek, and has anyone forded it lately? (Sounds like there was a storm yesterday?)

Mark from Lee's Summit on 04/08/2021 03:22 PM
I urge you to join the Fans of the Katy Trail Group on Facebook. On that Facebook page, you can go to Media and Videos and see actual videos of people using the low water crossing at the Salt Creek bridge. This low water crossing can be: dry with hard packed slopes (if it hasn't rained in several weeks), slightly muddy slopes with 1 inch of water in the creek, or 6 inches of water in the creek and muddy slopes that you and your bike will sink 9 inches deep. The huge rock slide blocking the Katy Trail 2 miles west of Portland has an easy 1 mile on road detour and you can zoom in with Google Maps and see it and the detour clearly. If you look at the Salt Creek bridge on Google Maps, it incorrectly shows it still undamaged and in place, but it does clearly show the low water crossing that is used to access the conservation area in the floodplain.

Trail blockage around MM 150-ish
Ray (webmaster) on 04/08/2021 10:13 AM
Just reported....

Approx 7-8 mi west of Jeff city trail completely blocked by mature cottonwood tree across trail. We were able to portage bikes across downed timber with help of 4 riders w some difficulty

[thank you KB for the heads-up]

Jefferson City, North Jefferson stop
Paula from NE Missouri on 04/05/2021 09:21 PM
Our planned day two travel takes us to Jefferson City. Any suggestions for a B&B or hotel not far off the trail? Thanks!

Gary from Near Tebbetts on 04/06/2021 12:19 PM
It would help us if you give us an idea of how far is not far.

Paula from NE Missouri on 04/07/2021 10:14 AM
Hoping for North Jefferson, but looks like nothing there. Last time we stayed at the Baymont in Jeff. I'd like to bypass Jeff altogether. Does anyone know if The Globe in Hartsburg has reopened?

June. Amtraking from KC to St Charles
Willie from KC on 04/05/2021 05:07 PM
So, on a Thursday in June, I'm playing with how this will work: I'm thinking about Amtraking to St. Charles from KC (8:15 train); is there a service that will pick me up from the train station and take me to the trail head so I can start my journey back to KC on the Katy? I'd normally just Uber it, but I think they might have a problem with my bike... I know I can bike from the train station to trailhead, but I don't want to mess with city streets...

pr from op on 04/05/2021 07:45 PM
amtrack goes to kirkwood or downtown saint louis you have to ride to the trail.no stops in saint charles

mapmedic from KCMO on 04/05/2021 08:44 PM
Few ideas to consider: You can ride to Alton and be on trail 90% of time and ride the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge on the way there. From Alton cross the Mississippi and an hour ride to Machens in a slower area. Or continue past Alton to Grafton and take the ferry across...then roads in a rural area. Again with the roads, but outside of the busy city.
Do some research on Uber or Lyft alternatives, I don't have the exact one, but they do have trucks for hire. A new service is Bungii or GoShare...maybe they can help.
Or you can use your google skills and look for Katy Trail Shuttle for some options.
I found this on the website youre looking at now: http://www.showmemotours.com/content/shuttle/tour_shuttle_katytrail.htm

mapmedic from KCMO on 04/05/2021 09:15 PM
Google katy trail shuttle. Several services do this.
Search this website. There is a services section that has companies.
St Charles Yellow Cab offers the service, but you need to specify your needs.
Check into other Uber/Lyft options. There are some light truck/moving services.
Trails to Alton or to Grafton Ferry...then rural roads to Machens.

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