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Planning a spring/summer 2021 Katy Trail ride
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Retired Rider from Lynn Center, IL on 11/24/2020 09:00 AM
My wife and I are planning to ride the full trail west to east in 2021 and would appreciate any information that would be helpful from previous riders. Questions below;

Any spring/summer flooding that may inhibit riding? Your opinions of best months to ride are welcome.

Are there businesses that would shuttle two riders from St Charles west to the trail head or should we simply return ride to our starting point? If there is we are assuming your vehicle would be safe to park?

Are there plenty of places to stay and eat throughtout our ride or should we plan to camp and prepare food ourselves at specific areas along the trail? Suggestions welcome.

Are there planned itineraries available specific to riding the Katy Trail that we could review?

Time is really no issue with us so if there are areas along
the trail that riders should take the time to relax, enjoy the area and spend time visiting, please provide.

Lastly, we currently have road bikes, will these suffice or would it be better for us to purchase hybrid or mountain bikes for this trip?

Looking forward to hearing from all of you.

Thanks, Retired Rider

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville on 11/24/2020 09:48 AM
I would not recommend road bikes unless they can take at least 700x28 tires. I've ridden on short stretches of the Katy on my road bike and didn't like the ride. I usually use 700x32 tires although this September my wife and I did the entire trail on a tandem with 26x2.125 tires.

I've done the entire trail many times; however, they have been supported rides. The Katy Trail Ride put on by the department of natural resources is great if you like to camp out in June. Bubba's Pampered Pedelars ride in September is great but a little on the expensive side with hotel or B&B rooms every night.

Many businesses on the Katy are closed on Mondays and Tuesdays so getting something to eat can be an issue then. This web site has plenty of information on places to stay, eat, and shuttle services.

Flooding is sometimes an issue especially in Spring and early Summer. My best ride was in September with nice temperatures and little rain.

 
S. Feenstra from Redlands, Ca. on 11/24/2020 08:05 PM
My wife and I are also planning on visiting and riding the trail in Spring. Where would be the best place to park a 40ft RV and then pedal for about 30 miles. I only have a couple of days and would like to see the best area. We really appreciate any recommendation. Thx

 
Doug from Bluffton on 11/24/2020 09:55 PM
The campground at the city park in Hermann would be good for that. East or West you would have sections of the trail running between the river and the bluffs along with farm fields and shady sections and Hermann has all the services you would need.

 
Christine from Illinois on 11/27/2020 08:19 AM
I am also planning to ride the whole trail west to east next year and was also wondering about shuttles - I only saw a couple of options online.

 
Anonymous from Kiow county ks on 11/29/2020 06:10 PM
Hi everyone, my wife and I will be traveling the trail west to east next summer. Has anyone charted a re turn trip to Clinton on gravel road other then the trail. Just to see new country. Thanks

 
Mark Winkelmann from Rhineland on 11/30/2020 09:01 AM
Visit the White Wolf Inn in Rhineland for lodging in the Hermann area.
@ whitewolfinnllc.com

 
LH from Webb City MO on 12/01/2020 06:48 PM
I have stayed at White Wolf it is amazing

 
Anonymous on 12/02/2020 07:58 AM

Any spring/summer flooding that may inhibit riding?
The Katy still has flood damage from a couple of years ago. Watch this site or the state parks on the Missouri Department of Natural Resources for updates in the spring.

Are there businesses that would shuttle two riders from St Charles west to the trail head or should we simply return ride to our starting point? If there is we are assuming your vehicle would be safe to park?
There are businesses that shuttle. Check out the Towns and Services tab to see their location. Yes there is safe parking along the trail.

Are there plenty of places to stay and eat throughtout our ride or should we plan to camp and prepare food ourselves at specific areas along the trail? Suggestions welcome.
There are many hotels, B&B's, etc to stay. The Bothwell in Sedalia, the Frederick in Boonville, the School House in Rocheport, and the Hermann area has many to choose from.

Are there planned itineraries available specific to riding the Katy Trail that we could review?
From the Home page, there are ride reports. Some can be found on this forum. Winter is coming.....a good time to employ search or just cruise around this site.

Time is really no issue with us so if there are areas along
the trail that riders should take the time to relax, enjoy the area and spend time visiting, please provide.
That all depends on what your interests are. This site is a great place to check out the towns you are passing through or staying in. Also, the website onlyinyourstate is a good resource when traveling.

Lastly, we currently have road bikes, will these suffice or would it be better for us to purchase hybrid or mountain bikes for this trip?
Have ridden both a hybrid and a road bike with 700 x 28 tires with no issues. The biggest issue is staying in the track and out of the soft spots or the loose chat.

 
Ron_S from Oveland Park on 12/09/2020 08:43 PM
Two options: Take Amtrak to Sedalia and hire transport to Clinton; Or, take Amtrak to Lee's Summit, either ride to Pleasant Hill and start of RI trail to KT Trail or hire transport.

 
Karl Brand from Missouri City,TX on 12/13/2020 07:15 AM
Please see: https://bikekatytrail.com/docs/kb.doc

 
Gypsea from Vancouver WA on 12/17/2020 09:36 PM
To anon from kiowa....I am also planning a loop, east to west, tho. If you are interested in my loop route, you can reach me via my blog...gypsearoad.com.

Also check out adventure cycling route 66, the section thru missouri.

 
Stu from San Diego on 12/25/2020 11:00 AM
I will be doing a bike tour from San Diego to Maine. Going a bit north out of my way to ride Katy west to east. My goal is to not get killed going through St. Louis. Lol. Any route tips to avoid dangerous areas?

 
Mark from Lee's Summit on 12/25/2020 12:45 PM
Stu...there are several beautiful, safe routes through the heart of St. Louis that I have ridden several times. The St. Louis region has actually invested in a great paved Greenway system and you just have to be smart about a few places that you should avoid when you are riding alone. There are several good options for crossing the Mississippi River heading eastward, but they all depend on what your route is across Illinois. The most scenic river crossing is the Old Route 66 Chain of Rocks Bridge across the Mississippi, but the closest is the Hwy. 67 bridge at Alton. My favorite option is to take my bike across the Grafton Ferry boat which is really close to the last Katy trailhead at Machens.

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville on 12/26/2020 10:07 AM
I agree with most of what Mark says about crossing the Mississippi River. However the Grafton Ferry can be out of action at certain times due to the river levels. I'd make the Hwy 67 Bridge into Alton Illinois my primary option. You will need to ride on Hwy 94 for a while but it's not all that busy. I've ridden it a few times. Hwy 67 has wide shoulders plus a bike path on the bridge. Once over the bridge there's a bike path to the north and south along the river.

Where are you planning to ride next after crossing the Mississippi River? There are options. You might even want to check out the route for RAAM as it crosses the river into Alton on that bridge.

 
Stu from San Diego on 12/27/2020 05:50 PM
Thanks guys. I haven’t quite figured it all out yet, but my preliminary plan is to get back onto the ACA Underground Railroad route at Murphysboro and head north toward the Ohio to Erie Trail to Cleveland

 
Rob from Brooklyn, NY on 01/01/2021 07:35 PM
Hey Stu, Andy Stout rode from Maine to San Diego in 2018 using a lot of ACA routes. You can contact him through Instagram @stoutabout


Hammock Camping at Missouri State Fairgrounds in Sedalia
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Sam from Cottleville MO on 12/24/2020 04:17 PM
Are there some sites here with trees that are suitable for two hammock campers? Would the cost for two hammocks be $24? Thanks!


Biking across the state
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Kari from Irwin, PA on 12/20/2020 08:58 PM
Hello! I was wondering if anyone knew of a bike rental service that would allow me to rent bikes in Kansas City, bike across the state, and leave the bikes at the end of the Katy trail or perhaps in St. Louis?
Thanks!!


Ride the Virtual Katy Trail
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T Milligan on 12/19/2020 07:11 PM
... sorry for the length of this post -
I've finally finished processing and uploading my 19 Katy Trail videos to Kinomap.

If you have a smart bike trainer, or even a not smart trainer, or even an exercise bike or an elliptical trainer and want ride of the Katy Trail in a virtual way, you can do that on Kinomap with the GPS-tagged videos of my October 2020 ride from Clinton to (almost) St. Charles.

I say "almost" because:

1. It was raining on day 2 of my ride, so I didn't video that day. However, I plan to ride it again in Spring 2021 and have reserved 4 slots (5-8) in the sequence for those segments.

2. On the last day, Missouri State Parks was doing *heavy* trail maintenence (felling large trees across the trail) that closed the trail to all bicycle traffic in both directions with no detour. This prevented me from riding all the way to St. Charles

I've also created "playlists" of the segments of the trail that made up each day's ride.

The advantage of using a "smart" exercise device is that the Kinomap app on your Android or iOS device can control the difficulty level based on GPS data while you exercise.

You can see and ride the videos here:

https://vsuq.adj.st/userName=tmilligan?adjust_t=e3qslbp&adjustdeeplink=com.kinomap.training%3A%2F%2F%3FuserName%3D?tmilligan&adjust_redirect=https://www.kinomap.com/en/u/tmilligan/videos


doggies on board?!?
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Friend! from Indiana on 08/27/2015 11:59 AM
I'm trying to take my dog on the trail. He runs next to the bike and we have a kid carrier for him. Does anyone know if the shuttle will allow dogs?

 
MidSouth from Rogersville, MO on 08/27/2015 12:54 PM
You will have to contact some of the shuttle providers directly and make arrangements. There is no full time shuttle like a bus or trolley.

 
Brian L. from Wichita on 08/28/2015 06:09 AM
Doggies riding along in carriers sure are cute, but technically you shouldn't allow him to run alongside your bike: MO state park rules include "Keep your pet on a leash ... at all times." (https://www.mostateparks.com/page/55057/pets). On the other hand, your dog might be allowed to stealth camp. (Just kidding! :-)

 
Friend! from Indiana on 08/31/2015 11:10 AM
Oh he is leashed while running next to the bike. No worries there!

 
rob from southcentral mo on 09/01/2015 06:14 PM
I wouldn't suggest letting a dog on a leash run along side of a bike IF there is very much use on that day. The trail is not that wide and I am always cautious whenever I am approaching a dog being walked. Could be an accident waiting to happen.

 
Anonymous from Louisburg, KS on 09/09/2015 02:00 PM
One squirrel away from a disaster. Enjoy the scenery and BIKE path..save pooch time for the DOG park.

 
Anonymous on 09/09/2015 02:41 PM
Nothing like getting clotheslined because the dog owner doesn't know his left from his right. But it's such a cute lil puppy. If only everyone liked it as much as you did.

 
Dash on 12/14/2020 05:01 PM
Good grief, what a loathsome lot of fussy killjoys. smh..


Katy Junction B&B in Pilot Grove
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John and Barb from OCEAN SPRINGS on 12/13/2020 08:28 PM
We spent eight days at the Katy Junction B&B. It was great! The house is very tastefully decorated and had a very comfortable bed. Almost felt like home! Jerry made sure our every need was attended to. Really enjoyed the historial coffee table books!


Virtual Katy Trail Riding
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T Milligan from Franklin, TN on 11/29/2020 12:23 PM
If you have a smart bike trainer, or even a not smart trainer, or even an exercise bike or an elliptical trainer and want to do virtual rides of the Katy Trail, I've started publishing on Kinomap my GPS-tagged videos of my October 2020 ride from Clinton to St. Charles.

The advantage of using a "smart" exercise device is that he Kinomap app on your Android or iOS device can control the difficulty level based on GPS data while you exercise.

Here is a link to the four segments that make up my first day of riding the Katy Trail from Clinton to Sedalia:

https://videos.kinomap.com/en/playlists/11031

More to come...

 
Fran T. from Detroit, MI on 11/30/2020 07:08 AM
This is great, I'm on my trainer a lot in the winter here in Michigan. Thank you.


Dutzow Trailhead in Dutzow
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Casey Wix from Columbia MO on 11/28/2020 08:26 PM
An update for out-of state folks wanting to cross the river at Washington (which I highly recommend for biking between the KATY trail and the Amtrak Station in Washington.) New bridge across the Missouri river was completed in 2019 and it has a bike lane separated from traffic so it is very safe. However, going between Dutzow trailhead on the Katy trail and this river bridge at Washington MO requires biking 3 miles on a narrow shoulder of a very busy Highway 47. INstead, I recommend using the Augusta Bottoms Road that connects highway 47 at the north end of the new bridge to the KATY trail at approx mile 70.5, about 3.5 miles east of Dutzow. This road is paved with no shoulder and winds through farmland but has hardly any traffic. If you are westbound on the trail from the St. Louis area, it is a great shortcut to Washington. If you are eastbound on the trail from Sedalia/Jefferson City/Boonville, taking the Augusta Bottom road will lengthen your trip by about 3 miles, but probably save your life.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 11/29/2020 07:36 AM
Thank you Casey, that is good advice. In fact, I will update the Washington page to include this.

Here is a map to illustrate. The Katy Trail is purple. Augusta Bottom is the white line that crosses the Katy Trail between mile markers 70 and 71, running over to Hwy 47 just north of the bridge.

Augusta Bottom Road


Shuttle from St Charles to St Louis Train Station
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Lesley from KC on 11/26/2020 07:55 PM
Hi all, my friend in STL has Covid and cannot pick me up like we planned at the end of my solo Katy ride. What is the best option for getting from St Charles to the STL train station? I'm on the Sunday train back to KC.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 11/27/2020 10:20 AM
Assuming you have a bike and gear to transport, you'll probably need a shuttle as opposed to a taxi or Uber.

Here's a list of shuttle services that serve the Katy Trail. The three at the bottom of the list are local to the St Louis area:
https://bikekatytrail.com/planner.aspx?scid=17&ecid=11&rt=0&svcs=|17|

Other options, if you're up for more riding:

Bike to the St Louis airport, and then take Metro light rail from the airport to the downtown Amtrak station (the "Civic Center" stop on Metro). Here's a web page with more details and suggestions:
St Louis Lambert Airport to Katy Trail Directions
https://bikekatytrail.com/airport-katy-trail.aspx

Bike to downtown St Louis (Amtrak is in the southwest part of downtown):
Katy Trail to Forest Park and Downtown St Louis
https://bikekatytrail.com/katy-trail-to-downtown.aspx

Bike to Kirkwood Amtrak Station (assuming you can change your ticket)
https://bikekatytrail.com/kirkwood.aspx

Good luck and happy trails!


Shuttle from St Charles to St Louis Train Station
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Lesley from KC on 11/27/2020 06:42 AM
Hi all, my friend in STL has Covid and cannot pick me up like we planned at the end of my solo Katy ride. What is the best option for getting from St Charles to the STL train station? I'm on the Sunday train back to KC.


Photo of the bridge out detour
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Jerry Whittle from Belleville on 10/26/2020 03:08 PM
The Nov-Dec 20 issue of Terrain Magazine's cover photo is about the detour for the bridge out near MM 180. The shot is facing west and shows a little water in the creek.

http://digital.terrain-mag.com/NovemberDecember-2020/C1/

I did it in September and the hardest part was pushing about 60 pounds of bike up that hill in the photo.

 
Ken McDaniel from Kansas City on 10/26/2020 08:10 PM
So is that a safe place to cross? I know there re detours that require riders to take highway. I don't like riding on roadways, period. I ws gonna ride the Booneville to Jeff City part of the trail but was skeptical because of the detour. But if there is a safe crossing at the creek that would solve a dilemma for me.

 
Jerry Whittle from Belleville on 10/27/2020 07:22 AM
As long as the creek isn't more than a few inches high, it's very safe. You have to either ride a very short distance on the road or push your bike through some weeds on the west side of that detour. I remember that someone complained about either ticks or chiggers on the detour so you may want to use DEET on your legs before. I didn't and had no issues. Of course with the cold weather, bugs become less of an issue.

The detour around the rock slide does require about a half mile of riding on the road; however, I thought that the road was plenty wide enough and safe.

Around Sedalia you have to ride a few miles on roads. I found it plenty safe as there was little traffic.

 
LS Rider on 11/01/2020 07:59 AM
I am SO disappointed with the State of Missouri for not even trying to fix this bridge after 1.5 years. The Katy Trail is one of the premier trails in the US and with no attempt of a repair is unacceptable! The very least they could construct a temporary bridge to walk your bike across. (this is what the C&O did on a washed out bridge last year) Their alternative is to have you ride your bike on 40 Hwy/240 Hwy for 5+ miles. 40 Hwy has large Semi Trucks and Farm Vehicles traveling at a high rate of speed and there is NO shoulder. DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO BE KILLED BEFORE DOING SOMETHING? I heard that it will take another 1-2 years before anything will be done. With the recent rains there was no way to cross the creek as the water was too high and it was a muddy mess. If you are traveling west to east it is an uphill climb on 40 Hwy. Come on State of Missouri...Do Something!!

 
Anonymous on 11/01/2020 05:03 PM
It is evident that you have contacted the Missouri DNR to let them know how irresponsible they are.

What was their response?

 
John Little from Auburn, Alabama on 11/02/2020 01:22 AM
We crossed this creek a few days ago (opposite direction as shown in photo). The water was only a few inches deep. The only problem was the mud. It had been raining for several days when we crossed. Our bikes were fully loaded, so when pushing them up that hill, mud quickly gummed up our wheels, between the tires and fenders. Bike would no longer roll. If I could do it over again, I'd take my bags off and carry those separately to dry trail, then carry the bike. I wouldn't roll the bike through any of that muck.

But still, we had a great time. It was an adventure and was better than the highway.

 
Lesley from KC on 11/26/2020 05:36 AM
I crossed yesterday. Well, I tried. After a few days of rain, I got a lot of mud for my efforts and had to use the highway detour. List a lot of time dealing with the mud, too. Hopefully the worst aspect of my Katy Trail ride.


Gap in the Trail
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Matt from STL on 11/22/2020 09:01 PM
Why does there appear to be a gap in the trail on the map between Augusta and Dutzow? I'm new to the trail and am doing 100 miles over Thanksgiving weekend. Don't want any surprises!

 
Ray (webmaster) on 11/23/2020 05:45 AM
Sorry for the confusion: that is just a glitch in the way the trail is drawn on the map - it's drawn in segments and one of the segments was not defined long enough. I will work on fixing the map.

The trail is uninterrupted there in real life. The only "real" gaps that I know of are near Portland, and west/north of Rocheport.

Thank you for pointing out this issue, and enjoy your ride!

 
Matt from STL on 11/25/2020 10:04 PM
Thanks Ray. Looking forward to it.


Turner Katy Trail shelter, open ???
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JMBinOK on 11/20/2020 10:58 AM
I’ll be on the trail thanksgiving weekend, does anyone know if the shelter is open or closed for the season. Thanks in advance

 
Jim from St. Thomas on 11/20/2020 11:53 PM
It’s open.

 
Doug from Bluffton on 11/22/2020 07:21 PM
JM Thanksgiving afternoon I will have a traditional dinner. If you are in the area stop by. Might be paper plates and eating by a bonfire but you will be welcome.


Snoddy's store is open again! Between Boonville and New Franklin
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Sharonbikes from Kansas City on 11/22/2020 10:13 AM
Snoddy's store was closed for a long time due to the flooding around Boonville. It is open again and is an easy place to stop to get groceries if you are camping at the Roundhouse or to restock supplies along the way. They will also make you a sandwich (known to locals as a "Snoddy burger"). They also stock a variety of hardware type stuff and a lot of other things.

The store is just across the bridge on the Franklin side of the river past Boonville. If you are leaving Boonville and heading towards New Franklin - go across the river and stay on that road and the store is oh, maybe half a mile from the bridge. If you are going the other direction - when you get to the road where you turn right to go across the bridge, turn left on that road and go about half a mile, maybe, and the store is on your right.

Sharon

 
Anonymous on 11/22/2020 11:13 AM
Good news for sure. We’ve stopped there many times through the years, whether camping at the Roundhouse, staying at the Hotel Frederick, or just passing through. And of course, will surely stop in again. Thanks for the news.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 11/22/2020 02:59 PM
Great news - thanks for passing along this info! I've added that back to the Boonville listings.


Katyrest Caboose in Hartsburg
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Lesley from KC on 11/21/2020 11:52 AM
Hi all, I wanted to share Bill's updated phone number:
573-289-7544

FYI he doesn't rent the caboose in the winter because it gets too cold. He was incredibly nice during our phone conversation.

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