best 2 day ride
- + My husband and I have never ridden the Katy trail. We are hoping to do a 2-3 day ride in May. We are thinking around 30 miles a day. We would like to either find a good parking spot (coming from so...
Discussion started 04/05/2010 12:12 PM by drhollaway - 6 replies (last reply by NOMAD at 04/14/2010 12:38 PM)drhollaway from Miami County, KS on 04/05/2010 12:12 PM
My husband and I have never ridden the Katy trail. We are hoping to do a 2-3 day ride in May. We are thinking around 30 miles a day. We would like to either find a good parking spot (coming from southeast KS) and a shuttle service, or take Amtrak from Kansas City to where we will start riding. Any great routes recommended? We have looked at the mileage charts and have a few ideas.
Trek on 04/05/2010 02:57 PM
Other than a couple of small sections, we've been on it all except Clinton to Sedalia and have found all routes taken to be a good time. Sedalia to Boonville as well as Hermann both directions for several miles seem to be peacefull and less crowded than the Rocheport area or the eastern end around Augusta to St. Charles.
On the other hand, if you're looking for some good places to stay and eat, try the Rocheport area.....bistro at the winery, Hotel Frederick in Boonville, Hermann area....Hermann Hill B&B/cottages, Stone Hill winery, etc.....the old main street in St. Charles is worth the trip too.
Go with your gut ideas....you probably know whether you like to visit wineries or stay in B&B's, etc. or if you'd more rather be away from civilization.
jd from gkc on 04/07/2010 10:54 AM
Good suggestions.
Also, your 30-mile daily distance could propose sampling the trail in the Rocheport region, between Boonville (14-miles west w/depot-caboose museum) and Jefferson City (36-miles southeast w/bluffs and Mo River). If you return to your vehicle each trip, you can go wherever you want each day. Enjoy.
MidSouth from Rogersville, Mo on 04/07/2010 11:14 AM
My wife and I are going to do a two day on May 1 & 2. We are going to park at Hartsburg and ride to Rocheport, spend the night and ride back to Hartsburg the next day. We are riding the whole trail in June, but will be passing thru the Rocheport area on a Monday or Tuesday for that trip, and most of the shops in Rocheport wont be open. Based on many recommendations we wanted to see this area on a weekend.
Anonymous on 04/12/2010 02:26 AM
How easy is it for a good to seasoned biker to complete 30 miles a day? Can the entire trail from Clinton to STL be completed in under a week for a decent biker?
MidSouth from Rogersville, MO on 04/12/2010 09:20 PM
My wife and I are from seasoned or even good bikers, we just bought our bikes last September. We went 24 miles on the trail last Saturday in about 3 hours with only a 15 minute break at half-way. I think that if we start early in the morning and take a few meal breaks during the day, 35 miles is not a problem for an entire day. We are biking from Clinton to St. Charles Saturday to Saturday with an extra day of sightseeing in Hermann. There are select few that can ride the whole trail in one day, a few more that can ride it in 2-3 days, and many that ride it in 5-7 days. We are both in our late 50's and I had double bypass surgery less than a year ago.
NOMAD from CALHOUN on 04/14/2010 12:38 PM
IF YOU WANT AN ADVENTURE. TAKE AMTRAK FROM KC TO SEDALIA. STAY SEDALIA AT BOSWELL HOTEL. NEXT DAY GO TO CALHOUN TO CRUCE'S CABOOSES. VIST CLINTON THE NEXT DAY. COME BACK TO CALHOUN TO CABOOSES. THEN BACK TO SEDALIA TO AMTRAK BACK TO KC. OR ANY VARATION OF THE ABOUT.
Clinton - Camping Question
- + Besides the Lester Foster's Music Park, which only allows camping during music festivals, are there really no other campsites near this trailhead?
I'm taking the train from STL to Sedalia, and...
Discussion started 04/10/2010 08:50 PM by Jeremy - 2 replies (last reply by NOMAD at 04/14/2010 12:17 PM)Jeremy from St. Louis on 04/10/2010 08:50 PM
Besides the Lester Foster's Music Park, which only allows camping during music festivals, are there really no other campsites near this trailhead?
I'm taking the train from STL to Sedalia, and then riding to Clinton that afternoon before "starting" the trail heading back the next morning. I'm planning on camping as much as possible, but can not find anything in Clinton.
Thanks for any info.
jd from GKC on 04/11/2010 01:22 PM
You might read the latest "Ride/Run/Hike-Report" on this site's home page by "Blue," 2nd part of Day-1. They camped in the ballfield near the Clinton trailhead..in one of the dugouts, I believe. Good riding.
NOMAD from CALHOUN on 04/14/2010 12:17 PM
CAMPING IS OK. MANY PEOPLE TAKE THE TRAIN AND ON THE WAY TO CLINTON STAY AT CRUCE'S CABOOSES IN CALHOUN. THEN GET AN EARLY START TO CLINTON THE NEXT DAY TO BEGIN THE JOURNEY.
Trikes on the Trail?
- + My wife and I ride tadpole trikes and were wondering if the surface of the Katy Trail would be okay for trikes. We have fairly fat tires.
We rode the Route of the Hiawatha in Montana last year and ...
Discussion started 04/12/2010 11:30 AM by gvb1 - 2 replies (last reply by gabe at 04/12/2010 04:46 PM)gvb1 from San Anselmo Ca on 04/12/2010 11:30 AM
My wife and I ride tadpole trikes and were wondering if the surface of the Katy Trail would be okay for trikes. We have fairly fat tires.
We rode the Route of the Hiawatha in Montana last year and it was rocky and rough. We'd like to avoid that type of surface.
brad wilson from st louis on 04/12/2010 02:50 PM
I saw quite a few trikes, both tadpole and delta, during the 2007 Katy trail ride. They all seemed to be enjoying the trail. The trail was smooth that year with a few soft spots due to recent flooding.
The condition of the trail will depend a lot on the weather just prior to your ride. If it has rained hard, there may be washed out areas and ruts from other bikes and vehicles.
gabe from springfield on 04/12/2010 04:46 PM
Yeah i rode my catrike on the trail last year and had a blast. I thought it did great!
Chuck's Bikes
- + If you get a chance, stop in at Chuck's Bikes! He's an awesome guy, sort of a latter-day Sheldon Brown... if you have anything you need done to your bike, he'll get you on the road fast! And his sel...
Discussion started 04/08/2010 12:08 PM by Tony S - 9 replies (last reply by MidSouth at 04/11/2010 01:29 PM)Tony S from Springfield on 04/08/2010 12:08 PM
If you get a chance, stop in at Chuck's Bikes! He's an awesome guy, sort of a latter-day Sheldon Brown... if you have anything you need done to your bike, he'll get you on the road fast! And his selection of stuff will have you feeling like a kid in a... bike store! ;)
The Dalton Boys from Austin, Texas on 04/09/2010 10:55 AM
Wow...you invoked the name of Sheldon Brown (bless his departed soul), now I must visit this
place given that I just got done with "Bike Wrench" school. Too cool!!!! Thanks!
MidSouth from Rogersville, Mo on 04/09/2010 11:50 AM
Which bike school did you attend? I'm headed to Barnett's in Colorado next month.
The Dalton Boys from Austin, Texas on 04/09/2010 07:54 PM
MidSouth - I did United Bicycle Institute in Oregon...from what I read either school is well
respected so you're doing well. Enjoy... I sure did..great instruction and really nice
classmates all good people who have one thing in common...a deep belief in bicycles. You
doing all courses available, for work enhancement, or self knowledge? Regards...Mark
MidSouth from Rogersville, MO on 04/09/2010 09:10 PM
I'm taking about half the classes this year and plan to take the rest next year. Just doing this for self improvement. Fairly new to cycling, but plan to ride the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route in a couple years and want to build my own bike for that trip and need to be able to fix anything that goes aray along the way.
The Dalton Boys from Austin, Texas on 04/10/2010 11:41 AM
Apologies if I'm going off topic ya'll. MidSouth...one course that UBI has that I'm not sure
that BBI has is a frame fabrication course. Very expensive with each material (aluminum,
titanium, steel etc.) each a separate cost. Saw some incredible student bicycles hand built!
Once you got the frame, the rest is all parts and installation. Look into it...might be that
"ground up" build you're looking for. Be prepared for the frame building class sticker shock.
My attendance was based on a deep belief in bicycles plus I retired from a 35 year career and
it all fit together. Hope it all works well for you my fellow "wrench". Regards...Mark
MidSouth from Rogersville, MO on 04/11/2010 08:21 AM
You are correct, BBI does not offer any frame building courses, and to put it bluntly, my welding sucks! I retired from the Navy 19 years ago and am getting ready to retire from a state university in the next 2 years. Besides the touring I plan to do, the bike wrenching thing may be something to look at as retirement past time at local bike shops.
The Dalton Boys from Austin, Texas on 04/11/2010 11:12 AM
Two things and I'll stop....Wheel building is the zen of Bike Wrenching...when in doubt - ride
your bike...(sorry one more) allow yourself to ride the KATY end to end at least once and
attend a Tour de Fat at least once to enjoy the wonderful whimsey and wonderment that are
bicycles. On the KATY with my brothers 19-24 April. Mark
The Dalton Boys from Austin, Texas on 04/11/2010 11:12 AM
Two things and I'll stop....Wheel building is the zen of Bike Wrenching...when in doubt - ride
your bike...(sorry one more) allow yourself to ride the KATY end to end at least once and
attend a Tour de Fat at least once to enjoy the wonderful whimsey and wonderment that are
bicycles. On the KATY with my brothers 19-24 April. Mark
MidSouth from Rogersville, MO on 04/11/2010 01:29 PM
Mark, I am taking the a wheel building course. Rode 24 miles on the Frisco Highline Trail yesterday, going to ride it end-to-end and back next weekend, 35 miles each way. Going to ride the KATY from Hartsburg to Rocheport and back the first weekend in May. Then we are riding the KATY end-to-end June 19-26. Plan to ride the Cowboy Trail in NE and the George Michelson Trail in SD next summer.
parking car and trailer while riding the trail
- + We are planning on riding the Katy Trail in mid May. Where can we safely park our car and small camper trailer?
Discussion started 04/09/2010 06:36 PM by Gin - 1 reply (last reply by Darrell at 04/10/2010 02:31 AM)Gin from Mesa az on 04/09/2010 06:36 PM
We are planning on riding the Katy Trail in mid May. Where can we safely park our car and small camper trailer?
Darrell from City of Jefferson, Mo. on 04/10/2010 02:31 AM
To narrow it down, are you riding for a day or two or a few or the entire trail? I would suggest checking out the "Plan a Ride" feature on this website for what is available on different parts of the trail. Enjoy your ride.
Katy Trail
- + Just finished a west to east trail ride this past week of very good weather. Trail from Clinton to Boonville is still pretty soft and has it's horse ruts. But Booneville to Jeff City was harder and go...
Discussion started 04/03/2010 02:33 PM by Don - 3 replies (last reply by Don at 04/09/2010 11:19 AM)Don from Plainfield, IL on 04/03/2010 02:33 PM
Just finished a west to east trail ride this past week of very good weather. Trail from Clinton to Boonville is still pretty soft and has it's horse ruts. But Booneville to Jeff City was harder and good but with tire ruts and past washed out areas with rough condition signs. Jeff City to Hermann seemed to have some rougher previous washed out areas, bluff rocks and downed trees on the trail but no water so be careful. Hermann to St. Charles was more like Booneville to Jeff City. Thanks to all along the trail and all the DNR staff and local landowners who keep up the trail too. You are all the best.
Anonymous on 04/04/2010 12:51 PM
Good information. Thanks for the report.
Anonymous on 04/06/2010 02:29 PM
Do you have a recommendation for getting back to Clinton from st Charles?
Don on 04/09/2010 11:19 AM
I had my better half provide valuable SAG support along the way. But I would imagine
train or bus could get you back to Clinton.
Connecting KC to Katy
- + Any word on connection plans for Katy trail with Kansas City, so you can ride across the state on rails to trails?
Discussion started 04/07/2010 11:59 AM by Chris - 0 repliesChris from Springfield, Missouri on 04/07/2010 11:59 AM
Any word on connection plans for Katy trail with Kansas City, so you can ride across the state on rails to trails?
For KC fly-in and cross-country Katy users.
- + Thanks to the tireless efforts of MODOT, the local and regional bicycle clubs, and other advocacy groups and leaders, KC recently dedicated a bicycle pathway over the Missouri River on the “Heart of A...
Discussion started 04/07/2010 11:21 AM by jd - 0 repliesjd from gkc on 04/07/2010 11:21 AM
Thanks to the tireless efforts of MODOT, the local and regional bicycle clubs, and other advocacy groups and leaders, KC recently dedicated a bicycle pathway over the Missouri River on the “Heart of America Bridge.” This bridge, which is the next one west of the Paseo (U.S.-29/35), is fairly modern with shoulders already in place. Any further work there could entail new signs, lane markers, modified drainage grates, and other safety measures. Super!
From the north, this bridge connects highway 169 (from Smithville) down thru highway 9 (on Burlington Ave in Northtown) to the River-Quay and KC-downtown areas on the south side of the river. Both the northwest-and-southeast-bound bicyclists (from and to the Katy) will be able to cross the Big Muddy near downtown KC safely.
Machens and Beyond?
- + Since St. Charles is only mile 39.5 and Machens is 26/27, are there
plans to continue the trail beyond Machens? Where would trail
eventually terminate, and what kind of time-frame is the proj...
Discussion started 04/06/2010 04:56 PM by Daniel - 0 repliesDaniel from StL on 04/06/2010 04:56 PM
Since St. Charles is only mile 39.5 and Machens is 26/27, are there
plans to continue the trail beyond Machens? Where would trail
eventually terminate, and what kind of time-frame is the project looking
at?
I'm beginning to become a fanatic for the Katy Trail and would like to
bike the whole distance once I build up my strength and endurance.
bridge at Washington
- + Can you ride across the bridge going into Washington? Has any ine had any trouble getting across with the traffic?
Discussion started 04/05/2010 02:14 PM by Chris - 5 replies (last reply by anonymous at 04/06/2010 04:24 PM)Chris from Springfield, MO. on 04/05/2010 02:14 PM
Can you ride across the bridge going into Washington? Has any ine had any trouble getting across with the traffic?
Trek on 04/05/2010 02:39 PM
It is not a bike friendly bridge...it is very narrow with no shoulder. Call a cab or check for lodging that will transport you.
Doug from Bluffton on 04/05/2010 07:54 PM
I have ridden the bridge twice. The second time I was asking myself "What is wrong with you!? You lived once why push it?" It's not just the bridge either. The highway leading to it Has NO shoulder and FAST trucks. All of whom consider a bike jersey as a bullseye or litter. Call for a ride. Worth it no matter what you pay.
Cyclone Billy from Creston Iowa on 04/06/2010 10:53 AM
I rode the trail last fall having been warned about the "bridge at Washington". Went to the
bar-cafe next to the trailhead in Dutzow and called a shuttle....best $25.00 I spent as the gal
took me right to the Amtrak Station. Bridge is hardly safe for cars and trucks. Too bad
because Washington is a neat area around the Amtrak station. No matter how experienced
you are, DON'T RIDE ON THIS DEATH TRAP!!!!!!!!!
Diane from Scott AFB on 04/06/2010 11:41 AM
The bridge at Washington...a picture is worth a thousand words:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9420004
Anonymous on 04/06/2010 04:24 PM
that pic is very telling. An extra coat of paint could be a problem. Agree, best way across is with a taxi/shuttle. thanks,
Eastbound on the Trans America Trail connecting to the Katy Trail
- + Does anyone have any ideas on how/where to transition from the Adventure Cycling's Trans-America Trail to the Katy Trail in Missouri? I am looking for some ideas. don
Discussion started 04/06/2010 10:23 AM by Don Rosenthal - 1 reply (last reply by Trek at 04/06/2010 11:31 AM)Don Rosenthal from Tiburon, California on 04/06/2010 10:23 AM
Does anyone have any ideas on how/where to transition from the Adventure Cycling's Trans-America Trail to the Katy Trail in Missouri? I am looking for some ideas. don
Trek on 04/06/2010 11:31 AM
Search for these two threads here on bikekatytrail titled: Best bike route Chanute, KS to Clinton, MO and Girard, KS on TransAM route to Clinton, MO.
Google maps travel by bike feature may be an option...it's been recently talked about on crazyguyonabikedotcom. There is also information there on planning a bike route in Google maps and then the conversion to upload to your GPS.
weather in June
- + My husband and I are thinking about riding the trail sometime in the first half of June. What can we expect for weather?
Discussion started 04/05/2010 11:58 AM by DMathis - 2 replies (last reply by fritz at 04/05/2010 07:28 PM)DMathis on 04/05/2010 11:58 AM
My husband and I are thinking about riding the trail sometime in the first half of June. What can we expect for weather?
Anonymous on 04/05/2010 12:07 PM
Muggy, buggy and chance of rain. Cool mornings, warm afternoons. It is still MO in June.
fritz from Kansas City on 04/05/2010 07:28 PM
Rode the trail the last two years in this same time period.
Two years ago -- 90 degrees - clear - no rain - wind 5 - 10 mph SW
Last Year -- 70 degrees - clear - no rain - wind 5 - 10mph SE
I may see you this year - Old man on black bike
Concord Hill B&B (Peers)
- + After a day biking the Katy Trail, Maggie and George graciously made us feel welcome in their beautiful home. Maggie greeted me with a cold beer as I had requested. The gourmet salad and pasta dinne...
Discussion started 04/04/2010 10:47 AM by Sheila - 0 repliesSheila from Indianapolis on 04/04/2010 10:47 AM
After a day biking the Katy Trail, Maggie and George graciously made us feel welcome in their beautiful home. Maggie greeted me with a cold beer as I had requested. The gourmet salad and pasta dinner after a much needed shower on the deck was delicious. (The wine from the cellar was not bad either!)The breakfast the next morning was more than we expected-the egg casserole fresh from their amusing chickens! The accomodations were clean and the described "loft" area perfect for a family stay and much nicer than anticipated. Next year when my daughter and I do this again we will plan our trip around our stay at Concord Hill B&B. Thanks Maggie, George, and dog Jesse, for making our biking trip memorable!
Sheila from Indianapolis on 04/04/2010 10:47 AM
After a day biking the Katy Trail, Maggie and George graciously made us feel welcome in their beautiful home. Maggie greeted me with a cold beer as I had requested. The gourmet salad and pasta dinner after a much needed shower on the deck was delicious. (The wine from the cellar was not bad either!)The breakfast the next morning was more than we expected-the egg casserole fresh from their amusing chickens! The accomodations were clean and the described "loft" area perfect for a family stay and much nicer than anticipated. Next year when my daughter and I do this again we will plan our trip around our stay at Concord Hill B&B. Thanks Maggie, George, and dog Jesse, for making our biking trip memorable!
New Franklin
- + Anyone have an update on the New Franklin area of the Katy Trail? Is it closed due to construction on Hwy 5? Is there a manageble detour?
Discussion started 03/29/2010 10:45 AM by DD Treks - 2 replies (last reply by Don at 04/03/2010 02:13 PM)DD Treks on 03/29/2010 10:45 AM
Anyone have an update on the New Franklin area of the Katy Trail? Is it closed due to construction on Hwy 5? Is there a manageble detour?
Trek on 03/29/2010 10:56 AM
From a privious post:
Unfortunately, there is never a good time to schedule repairs on the Katy but we will be coordinating with the contractors so that these projects inconvenience Katy users and trail communities as little as possible. As we receive more information as to starting dates, etc., we'll be posting that information on our Web site: www.mostateparks.com and www.katytrailstatepark.com as well as providing periodic updates on bikekatytrail.com.
by Dawn Fredrickson, Katy Trail Coordinator
You may want to check their website.
Don on 04/03/2010 02:13 PM
I rode through New Franklin on Tues. Mar. 30 west to east and they are still working on the highway but there is a good marked detour to the north a few blocks then over the highway and back down to the trail. No problems.
Les Bourgeois Winery & Bistro (Rocheport)
- + Les Bourgeois is not open on Mondays. This is important to know before you hike up the hill hungry and out of water. We drove back on Tuesday and enjoyed our lunch.
Discussion started 04/02/2010 08:21 AM by dayhiker - 0 repliesdayhiker from LeClaire, IA on 04/02/2010 08:21 AM
Les Bourgeois is not open on Mondays. This is important to know before you hike up the hill hungry and out of water. We drove back on Tuesday and enjoyed our lunch.
dayhiker from LeClaire, IA on 04/02/2010 08:21 AM
Les Bourgeois is not open on Mondays. This is important to know before you hike up the hill hungry and out of water. We drove back on Tuesday and enjoyed our lunch.
Katy Trail Bed & Bikefest (Rocheport)
- + This is a nice place, very convenient and would be particularly good for families with small children as there are swings and there is a children's park next door. The hot tub is out of commission an...
Discussion started 04/02/2010 08:18 AM by dayhiker - 0 repliesdayhiker from LeClaire, IA on 04/02/2010 08:18 AM
This is a nice place, very convenient and would be particularly good for families with small children as there are swings and there is a children's park next door. The hot tub is out of commission and doesn't look as if it will be operating soon.
dayhiker from LeClaire, IA on 04/02/2010 08:18 AM
This is a nice place, very convenient and would be particularly good for families with small children as there are swings and there is a children's park next door. The hot tub is out of commission and doesn't look as if it will be operating soon.
Current Trail Conditions - McBaine to Rocheport
- + Can anyone tell me what the current conditions are for this stretch of the trail? Thanks!
Discussion started 03/31/2010 09:41 AM by Local - 1 reply (last reply by dayhiker at 04/02/2010 08:09 AM)Local on 03/31/2010 09:41 AM
Can anyone tell me what the current conditions are for this stretch of the trail? Thanks!
dayhiker from LeClaire, IA on 04/02/2010 08:09 AM
I walked this section on March 29. It is dry and fine for walking. For biking, the surface is not entirely smooth as the ruts have dried, but not bad.
Katy Trail Weather
- + We're hoping to visit the KT in early to mid April. Could anyone provide current weather and trail conditions, and what we might expect then? Also, what would be a good jumping off point for a coupl...
Discussion started 03/27/2010 12:38 PM - 5 replies (last reply by Robin at 04/01/2010 02:09 PM)Anonymous on 03/27/2010 12:38 PM
We're hoping to visit the KT in early to mid April. Could anyone provide current weather and trail conditions, and what we might expect then? Also, what would be a good jumping off point for a couple of old northerners hoping for a couple of nice 1 day rides, followed by an overnight or two...thanks.
cunninghamair from O''''''''''''''''Fallon, MO on 03/29/2010 07:56 PM
It's been unseasonably warm, but April can be tough to call in MO. Are you driving or
flying in? I live in St. Louis, so I recommend Washington or Hermann. Both towns are fun
small towns with lots of wineries and B&B's. You can go either direction from the trailheads
or catch the train for more mileage.
EB from Greenwood on 03/31/2010 02:47 AM
Turkey season is in April so wear bright clothing. I recommend Rocheport.
Local on 03/31/2010 09:39 AM
I would highly recommend the Rocheport area. Located right off I70 on the Missouri River.
You can go either way...the ride to McBaine is beautiful year round. You can also jump off on
the spur into Columbia.
Robin from Macon, MO on 04/01/2010 01:59 PM
I live North of Columbia so have rode the Hartsburg to Rocheport area a lot and I agree...it is a beautiful ride and offers several great side trips especially if you like to do a little hiking too. But, I am interested in hearing more about the Defiance to Washington area as I am planning on riding that area this spring (maybe this weekend if the weather holds)!!!
Robin from Macon, MO on 04/01/2010 02:09 PM
I live North of Columbia so have rode the Hartsburg to Rocheport area a lot and I agree...it is a beautiful ride and offers several great side trips especially if you like to do a little hiking too. But, I am interested in hearing more about the Defiance to Washington area as I am planning on riding that area this spring (maybe this weekend if the weather holds)!!!
Such nice people in Missouri!
- + I've been reading through these comments, and I just want to thank all of the locals for being so nice to us out-of-state riders! My brother, dad, and I are planning a ride on the Katy in July, and we...
Discussion started 03/31/2010 12:13 PM by Reed - 2 replies (last reply by Jules at 04/01/2010 09:05 AM)Reed from Milwaukee, WI on 03/31/2010 12:13 PM
I've been reading through these comments, and I just want to thank all of the locals for being so nice to us out-of-state riders! My brother, dad, and I are planning a ride on the Katy in July, and we're thrilled about it. We've done some long distance riding before-- about 450 miles on the Mississippi River Trail (which is actually more of a route than a trail), and then a good jaunt on Paul Bunyan in Northern Minnesota. We met some great people as we progressed south on the Mississippi River, and I am sure there will be more to come in Missouri! Thanks everyone. See you on the trail.
Trek on 03/31/2010 04:27 PM
Seems like most people along the Katy are pretty good folks....as you get closer to any of the state lines.....well...not so much. The border states seem to corrupt them and there goes the neighborhood.
Jules from Lake St. Louis on 04/01/2010 09:05 AM
Being originally from Kansas, I resemble that remark, Trek. :)