Katy Trail Forum

I heard about this website from Kathy, the owner of Terry & Kathys, and she is upset that her establishment is on the web. She neither created it or approved of this website.

Terry & Kathy are wonderful owners and have built a great client base. There food is good and is served from 11am-8pm Tuesday through Friday and Saturday and Sunday in the off season. Off season is November through April. During seasoning (May - October) they serve food on Saturday and Sunday from 11am-3pm. After 3pm they have hotdogs and brats. They also have great bands every weekend May-October. As to not taking credit cards, they do take credit cards inside all day and night. Outside only takes credit cards during lunch hours.

I know all this because I work for Terry & Kathy. Please come to Terry & Kathy's and she would be more than happy to prove all the above information stated.

Sincerely-

Do they serve fish??



Something sure seems fishy here....maybe just coincidence....oh well....can you Biggie Size that for me?

Does Kathy really want her listing removed from this website? I would be happy to remove everything from the individual business page (the page with the photo of the restaurant, hours, directions, and other and details about the establishment). But be aware that lots of people really do use this information to find your business and to plan a stop at your business on their Katy Trail trips.


Even if Kathy does want all useful information removed from the individual business page, I still can not remove the listing entirely from the Defiance page. The primary goal of this website is to provide information about all relevant businesses on or near the Katy Trail. It would be a disservice to website visitors to pretend that Terry & Kathy's does not exist - so as long as you're listed in the public phone book, you'll be listed here. You might be surprised how many people plan to come into your business after seeing here on the web.


I'll hold off on actually removing the business information until I hear from you or Kathy. By the way, I've enjoyed a few beers there myself. :-)

I really enjoy Terry & Kathy's. My fiance and I head out there at least once a month when we can sit outside and listen to the bands. Nothing formal here and the clientele sure varies.



We're planning to come out after our wedding in October!

Just as a side comment, it would be beneficial for Terry & Kathy's to have a website. I occassionaly like to visit the bar, but I am never sure what band, if any, will be playing there on the weekends and sometimes it's too far just to check it out so we go somewhere else. A website with entertainment information could benefit.

Terry & Kathy's is great. We have been going there for a long time. We usually meet old friends fro Francis Howell there every summer. The food is great and the drinks are cold

We have friends coming from KC and are looking for places to go...this actually sounds like a fun place....bands? we'll be around October 22nd..anything good going on their?

In reading the stories here on the web about Terry & Kathy's in Defiance I can testify to the fact it is a very busy & fun place to go to & being a patron for approx. 5+ years I have spent many many hours & of time at their establishment. I do not drink liquor & I still had a ball of fun. My husbands band played there monthly so we had a reason to attend but on his weekends off we would sometimes ride to Defiance just to watch the other bands & for the scenic drive on a Sunday afternoon. Terry is very nice to deal with & always smiling. A few of the bands they have had in the past years were just wonderful along with the atomosphere of being outside, even with a jacket on in the cool fall weather & the summer heat being to hot. So this girl from St. Louis states that Terry & Kathy's is a GREAT PLACE to stop by when your in that neighborhood.

I don't know whether Kathy wants the mentiion on the web, but Terry and Kathy's is a great place. The food is good - they have a "Full" bar menu - pizza, sandwiches, etc., but on Saturdays and Sundays when they have a band they close the kitchen at 3:00 pm, but usually have barbeque outside.



The service is excellent. The bartenders and customers are friendly. Terry and Kathy are the best. Great cross between a neighborhood and country bar.

I'm somewhat surprised that Kathy, the owner, would be upset if her business was mentioned on this web. If the owners didn't like having her business mentioned, then she should get her business name removed from all medias including newspapers, yellow page, and white page and forget advertising the business. What's the point of owning a business in the first place if she doesn't like her business mentioned. If I was the bar owner, I would be more than HAPPY to have my bar listed if it would means more business!!! It's FREE ADVERTISING space that costs her nothing! This is no different from spreading by word of mouth. I'd rather hear comments from the owner directly rather than hearing from a worker who works for them. It's more believable that way. Maybe the owners are web-illiterate who may have misunderstood the intention of listing one's business on a website.



I rode my bike there from St Charles and had a couple beers. It was nice to sit in their outdoor area to have a couple beers after a 21 miles ride. If it wasn't for the bike trail, this business would probably be deader than a dead man cuz it's a small town situated in the middle of Lewis and Clark's boondock. The owners should be grateful for increased business to afford them a retirement where they could be sitting on a beach somewhere in Florida sipping margarita! I know I would!!!! So let's not get too offended here. Just enjoy life, enjoy bike riding, enjoy serving business to bike riders and making money off from us, the riders. Heck, we've got two different type of bike riders...........the Harleys riders and the regular bicycle riders.

Does the owner Kathy know an employee posted this message? It makes me not want to go there. Why would she be upset having her restaruant on this page. Nothing bad was said about the place! You would think it would help boost business...or does she have enough already? I think the employee should have left it up to Kathy to post her own complaint or not!! Like it said, it makes me want to steer clear of the place, just because of the confuision.

kcc, your statement, "an employee posted this message" is the key. Remember the old saying, "Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you read."? In the blog world, what you read is as likely to be true as what you hear.



In September of 2005, I printed out the webpage of concern, showed it to her, she kindly helped me mark it up, and I e-mailed those marks to Ray. I don't have those marks handy, so I don't know if he updated the page.



From the little time I spent with Kathy, it was apparent that she's a go with the flow person and her policies might change with the wind (but almost definitely with the seasons). I don't think she cares what is on this website. She might have been upset at what someone told her someone said on this website, but that's a different matter.

This is actually an old thread from over a year ago that bubbled back to the surface. Kathy was originally unhappy about some comments in a different, even older thread, that complained about their credit card policies. Nails was kind enough to help set the record straight, and everyone is happy at this point, as far as I know.

There was also another post that was negative earlier.

But, as the saying goes you can't please everyone.....

or was that a song?

Also, if an employee posted something they heard Kathy saying, then just take that with a grain of salt.

Sounds like lots of postive feedback from this thread...and if I ever get out that way riding, I would love to check the place out.

Has anybody from out of state used SportsExpress to ship your bike to the trail? I could carry the gear, but I read all the warnings about bikes on the train. www.sportsexpress.com WOULD you use them? What about shipping a bike to the trailhead at all? Via FedEx, UPS, etc??? Do you think it is a waste of money to not worry overmuch about the bike?



Thanks for all the opinions!

Actually Jim AMTRAK is user friendly for bicycles with the only caveat being that the station where you depart/arrive must have luggage service (carry-on being different). You must use their boxes for the most part which are not expensive (nor exquisitely protective), they do the job. Fortunately you just have to get to the DART/AMTRAK station downtown Dallas and you'll be good to go. Now if you get off in St. Louis you will have baggage service then you'll just have to get to the trailhead. I've used FedEx, and UPS with good success, and read of good things with the Sports Express service (especially their international capability). More information can be gleaned from the AMTRAK web site. Regards....Mark of the Dalton Boys

What Mark said. Also, if you ship your bike, you will have to find someplace/somebody along

the trail to ship it to. The trailheads aren't staffed at all. If it were me, I would just take my

bike on the train. Call Amtrak or stop by the station and see what they require. A few years

ago when I intended to ride the train from St. Louis back to KC, I was told they basically had a

rack on the train to put the bikes and they weren't boxed at all. I don't know if that is still the

case and unfortunately, I was unable to ride the train because they cancelled all trains due to

tracks washing out along the way. Best way to find out is to call them directly or go to the

website and inquire. Sharon

I am in the beginning stages of planning a through-ride of the Katy Trail. We have not yet decided how self-supported we will be, as far as camping along the trail or "credit card" touring. I am familiar with the things needed for a long term backpacking trip, so I need some advice on the bicycle repair gear we might need. Tubes and tires are a no brainer, but what about spokes, chains, extra nuts/bolts...? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

In my opinion....take some patches along....leave the spare tube and tire at home. Perhaps a chain tool and spare link would be wise...I never carry either tho...very low probability of needing them. Unless you are just loaded to the gills, spokes fall into the low probability group too. If you are extremely overloaded and putting alot of extra force on the rear axle.....yes, throw in a few spokes and a spoke wrench. I always carry a few spare capscrews and nuts for the rear rack or trailer.

2 tubes, 1 tire, 1 patch kit, 2 tire tools, 1 quick tool. My 2 cents.

I always carry a couple of tubes, tire tools, a pump, and a patch kit as a last resort. I would

much rather just change the tube out completely and get back on the road then mess with a

patch kit. I advise you go as light as possible... you really don't need to carry that

much...clothes are simple (leave the heavy jeans at home), toiletries to a bare minimum and

remember that you can buy food/drink, etc. along the way. I sometimes do carry powdered

Gatorade ... it is light to carry and more cost effective than buying Gatorade. I usually carry a

multitool, but rarely have needed it. And, don't forget the travel size baby wipes...they will

take grease off just about anything. And, have a great time! Sharon

...."so I need some advice on the bicycle repair gear we might need." Clothes, toiletries, Gatorade, baby wipes?? Not sure I'd let you work on my bike Sharon. I bet you could replace all that with some #9 wire an some duct tape....travel light!



All in fun.....

It looks as if the "cross-country bike tour" plan is overkill...thanks for the comments (now thinking of taking a MUCH lighter bike! ;) ) - It looks as if repair shops are MUCH more frequent than I was planning for! ;)

I can't find any listings for 2007 events.

The dates for the end-to-end rides are typically announced around February or so of that year, give or take a month. I'm sure the rides will happen, but no dates are set yet. Rest assured I will post the information as soon as it becomes available.

The state sponsered Katy Ride always starts the Monday after Father's Day.

Great wine and friendly staff. I frequently drive way out of my way to buy wine there, and I have visited all the Hermann wineries, but this is the only one I ever go back to. The Riefenstahler is outstanding!

Great wine and friendly staff. I frequently drive way out of my way to buy wine there, and I have visited all the Hermann wineries, but this is the only one I ever go back to. The Riefenstahler is outstanding!

Hear! Hear!

I agree about Adam Puchta. I love the staff. I love the wines. I love the facility! Best winery along the trail and one of the best in the state.

Hear! Hear!

I agree about Adam Puchta. I love the staff. I love the wines. I love the facility! Best winery along the trail and one of the best in the state.

If your staying in Hermann, there is only one place to stay. Rooms, breakfast, hospitality, non better in all our stays at B&B's.

We also enjoyed Birk's Guesthaus very much and will go back again. Great place to stay.

But why cross the river from the Katy when you can stay at Meyer's Hilltop Farm Bed & Breakfast in McKittrick? The Meyer's are two of the nicest folks you'll ever meet and their B&B is wonderful. Eldon will drive you across the car bridge to Hermann for your evening meal, and pick you back up when you're done exploring Hermann. The quiet and beauty of their B&B is fabulous after a long day on the trail.

Howard

We are wanting to ride the entire Katy Trail in 40 mile increments and stay in our R.V. My plan is to start as the Clinton end, ride 2 days, move the camper farther east, ride 2 more, move, etc. I want someone around Sedalia, Hartsburg and Marthasville, who will shuttle us 40 miles west one day and 40 miles east the next and we will ride back to our "home" destimation. I am having trouble finding short distance shuttle service. Anyone have any names or ideas. Thanks.

I used Sedalia Cab CO, 1615 East Broadway Boulevard, Sedalia, MO 65301 (660) 827-0469 to shuttle me from Sedalia to Clinton two years ago. The charge was $50.00.

Here's a list of all the shuttle services that I know of which serve the Katy Trail. Hopefully you can find what you need from this list. If you come up with any others that are not listed here, please let me know. Good luck!

One idea: park your RV in Sedalia, we meet you there, we hit the trail(eastbound), you take my vehicle to Rocheport with your bikes, you hit the trail (westbound). We ride to Rocheport, our vehicle is waiting, you ride back to your RV in Sedalia. Substitute any towns.

We used B&L Shuttle in Sedalia in 2005. They were extremely flexible, helpful, and reasonable. See the link Ray provided.

My wife and I drove our car down to Jefferson City so we could ride the Katy Trail while we were on vacation. We just got back to our car and discovered I lost the key somewhere along the way. We didn't have an extra key for our RX300.

I called A-1 Mobile Lock and Key and a very nice man responded to help us. His name was Robert I believe, he explained that our 2001 Lexus RX300 had a chip in the key. He told us it was very expensive to replace one of these keys, about $2000.00 if they are all lost.

I asked him what he could do so we could go home.

He explained he could reprogram the cars computer, make us new keys and the charge for everything would be about $500.00. That sure sounded better than $2000.00, so we told him to do it. It took about 1 hr for him to complete the process, he explained everything he was doing while he was doing it. It was amazing how he could do that.

It was a expensive bike ride, but it could have been a lot worse if we had to be towed to a Lexus dealer and then spend $2000 on top of it.

I highly recommend the service of A-1 Mobile Lock and Key to anyone who needs his services, he is a professional.

I am also interested in a possible birthday celebration--mother turning 90 and uncle turning 80--thank you. Mary Lou Blackhurst

I am also interested in a possible birthday celebration--mother turning 90 and uncle turning 80--thank you. Mary Lou Blackhurst

You might want to try contacting the St Charles Convention & Visitors Bureau at 800-366-2427. I don't know whether they manage the depot, but they'll probably know who does.

You might want to try contacting the St Charles Convention & Visitors Bureau at 800-366-2427. I don't know whether they manage the depot, but they'll probably know who does.

Is the Katy Trail Shuttle service the most economical way to go from St. Charles back to Clinton? Has anyone used them?

I was not aware of a shuttle service back to Clinton. Cn you give me details? Thanks

I recommend B & L Shuttle in Sedalia--very accommodating and reasonable. You might check out the comments re Amtrak on this site too.

WE shuttle to and from Clinton ----- we are a Bed & Breakfast(Lococo House ll) and we shuttle our guests ---- contact www.lococohouse.com --- for information

I don't know how prices compare, but we have found Gary Creason of Creason's Shuttles to be very reasonably priced

I'm planning a ~150 mile trip in late October.

>which part is most scenic?

>advise on going one way? Train back, other transport service?

>better to book overnites on own or thru a Guide?

THANKS!

The most scenic question comes up time and time again....and it seems that Rocheport and points east wins repeatedly. We also like Portland to Hermann. Other posters will probably offer varied opinions....we all have our favs. If I wanted to do 150, I'd probably go to Jeff City and ride one day to Rocheport and back (70). The next day I'd ride to Hermann and back (approx 85)or stay over in Hermann to enjoy the town some. Planned right, the Amtrak can take you back to Jeff City from Hermann. People here rave about Birks Guesthaus in Hermann as the only place to stay. We've not been there yet, but do know that Hermann Hill Vineyard and Inn is a very, very nice place to stay with a spectacular view of the town. Sunrise is well worth setting the alarm clock for, followed by an early morning ride before breakfast. As far as making a call myself or paying someone else to do it for me....I'd rather spend my money at the bistro on the hill at Rocheport or at Stone Hill in Hermann. Typically Fall color is best the third week in October. The Missouri Department of Conservation website tracks the color throughout the state. Enjoy!, however you plan your trip.

ditto to the majority of what trek biker said. i did not care for the ride from rocheport to new franklin. otherwise, everything i have ridden is great. have fun, safe bikin.

We will be visiting family this weekend and will be looking to do a run. I've heard the Katy trail is a great place to get in a good run. Could someone tell me where to start in Jefferson City and which way to run. Is it pretty self-explanatory once you get on the trail? I'm assuming it's safe etc?

The trailhead is actually in north Jeff City. Just drive north across the MO river bridge and watch for the signs, it is easy to find. It's a great place to run/bike. Go west for more shade and prettier scenery.

Great thank you! Just what I needed to know!

My wife and I are planning to ride across the entire state of Missouri the first week of October. We are staying in Motels and one B&B,once we hookup on the Katy in Clinton. Has anyone stayed at "The Littlehouse B&B" in Marthasville? It looks nice, just wanting to make sure. Thanks, and see you on the trail! We love it!

We have stayed here. It's been a few years, but we really enjoyed it. As I recall, the hostess leaves a cold breakfast, like a homemade pastry, juice, cereal, coffee making supplies, etc, so it's a tasty do-it-yourself continental breakfast. We did have some trouble finding a place we could ride to easily for supper (we were constrained by having young children, and not wanting to get out on the highway, so there may be more available than I remember.