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Trail closure - flooding
 -  + From the DNR:

The trail is closed at the following locations due to flooding:

MM 178.9 to MM 181.5 near Rocheport (detour on Hwy. 40 to Hwy. 240 to Rocheport)
MM 169.7 to MM 169.8 ne...
Discussion started 05/01/2009 08:10 AM by Ray (webmaster) - 2 replies (last reply by Brian L. at 05/01/2009 10:30 PM)
Ray (webmaster) on 05/01/2009 08:10 AM
From the DNR:



The trail is closed at the following locations due to flooding:



MM 178.9 to MM 181.5 near Rocheport (detour on Hwy. 40 to Hwy. 240 to Rocheport)

MM 169.7 to MM 169.8 near the junction with the MKT Trail

MM 155.9 west of Hartsburg to MM 157.9 west of Wilton

MM 151 east of Hartsburg (detour onto the adjacent road)

Trail users should avoid closed sections and should never go around the closure fencing.



Due to area flooding, the gates near Easley (MM 162.5) have been opened to local vehicle traffic. Trail users should be cautious of vehicles in that area.




 
Kathy from Shawnee, Kansas on 05/01/2009 06:27 PM
We were planning to bike the Katy Trail on 5/4 and 5/5. We were planning to be in the Pilot Grove-Rocheport area. Are there daily postings about flood conditions or should we just go and take our chances?

 
Brian L. from Wichita on 05/01/2009 10:30 PM
According to the DNR trail conditions page (http://www.mostateparks.com/katytrail/conditions.htm), you can call 800-334-6946 for current conditions, even on weekends. They don't say so explicitly, but they imply the web page is updated every weekday.


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Kirkwood Amtrak to Katy Trail Directions
 -  + The route is great to Creve Couer park, but after that there is lots of street riding (sometimes no breakdown lane) and hills through the last 15 miles or so to the Kirkwood station. I thought it was...
Discussion started 04/30/2009 08:49 AM by Ann - 1 reply (last reply by John M at 05/01/2009 08:43 AM)
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:49 AM
The route is great to Creve Couer park, but after that there is lots of street riding (sometimes no breakdown lane) and hills through the last 15 miles or so to the Kirkwood station. I thought it was dangerous and wouldn't recommend it unless you are very experienced riding traffic.

 
John M from Creve Coeur on 05/01/2009 08:43 AM
I live in this area and ride the streets all the time. Take the bike trail across the Hwy 364 bridge to Creve Coeur Park. (3.4 mi). Go South (right) on the bike trail to Creve Coeur Mill Rd. (1.1 mi). Continue South (left) on Creve Coeur Mill to Olive Blvd. (.8 mi) This is a 2 lane road with traffic, use caution.



Go East on Olive Blvd. (left, up the hill) .4 miles in the bike lane. Olive is a busy 4 lane road, but it has a wide shoulder striped as a bike lane. It is not an elegant bike route, but I have never felt unsafe here. At the top of the hill, turn South (right) on Fernview Dr., which bends East and changes name to Bellerive Estates Dr. Continue to Mason Manor Rd. (1.4 mi) Turn East (left) on Mason Manor to Mason Rd. (.25 mi).



Turn South (right) on Mason. Stay on Mason as it bends left and right several times. Continue South on Mason at the Ladue Rd. intersection (1.34 mi). After another .5 mi. jog right then left at Conway Rd. and continue South on Mason. Cross I-64 and continue South to Clayton Rd. (1.47 mi).



Turn East (left) on Clayton. This is one of the most popular bike routes in the area. Cross I-270 and Ballas Rd. to Geyer Rd. (3.5 mi) Turn South (right) on Geyer, cross Manchester Rd. to W. Adams Ave. (3.6 mi, Kirkwood Park on right) Continue 2 blocks South to Argonne Dr. Turn East (left) on Argonne, go 4 blocks and you are there.



The route is complex, total distance is probably close to 20 mi., and there are typical Missouri rolling hills. So it is a significant addition to your ride. But if your heart is set on one final challenge at the end of your ride, it can be done. Once you deal with Creve Coeur Mill Rd. and Olive, you are on residential streets or secondary streets that are popular biking routes. This is the city, however, and you have to be comfortable sharing the road with cars.


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Kirkwood Amtrak to Katy Trail Directions
 -  + For the solo traveler a shuttle works out to be pretty expensive. Consider a taxi to Kirkwood (just taking off your front wheel). Or maybe there's a city bus that accepts bikes from St Charles to do...
Discussion started 04/30/2009 08:53 AM by Ann - 0 replies
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:53 AM
For the solo traveler a shuttle works out to be pretty expensive. Consider a taxi to Kirkwood (just taking off your front wheel). Or maybe there's a city bus that accepts bikes from St Charles to downtown St Louis, where you can also catch Amtrak.


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Rendleman Home B&B (Bluffton)
 -  + Doug, a very interesting and engaging guy, went out of his way to make me feel welcome. Dinner was great, and I heard lots of stories about history/making the Katy trail. By the way, his washroom is...
Discussion started 04/30/2009 08:41 AM by Ann - 0 replies
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:41 AM
Doug, a very interesting and engaging guy, went out of his way to make me feel welcome. Dinner was great, and I heard lots of stories about history/making the Katy trail. By the way, his washroom is for campers, the bathrooms inside the house have nice showers. It had rained all day, and Doug's washroom was also be used for cleaning up my bike - and he graciously chain-lubed and checked/tightened up everything for me too. Maybe it's not 5-star, as some below have noted, but I will definitely stay there again for the one-of-a-kind experience. His little dog Honey is also a plus!

 
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:41 AM
Doug, a very interesting and engaging guy, went out of his way to make me feel welcome. Dinner was great, and I heard lots of stories about history/making the Katy trail. By the way, his washroom is for campers, the bathrooms inside the house have nice showers. It had rained all day, and Doug's washroom was also be used for cleaning up my bike - and he graciously chain-lubed and checked/tightened up everything for me too. Maybe it's not 5-star, as some below have noted, but I will definitely stay there again for the one-of-a-kind experience. His little dog Honey is also a plus!


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Trail condition
 -  + I'm planning a ride for next week (probably Sedalia to Augusta) and was wondering what the condition of the trail is after all the recent rains & flooding in the Midwest. How is it? Muddy? Rutty? Any ...
Discussion started 04/30/2009 08:28 AM by Brian L. - 0 replies
Brian L. from Wichita on 04/30/2009 08:28 AM
I'm planning a ride for next week (probably Sedalia to Augusta) and was wondering what the condition of the trail is after all the recent rains & flooding in the Midwest. How is it? Muddy? Rutty? Any washed-out sections? Thanks, all!


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Apple Gate Inn (Augusta)
 -  + My stay here was one of the highlights of my Katy trip! Lynn's passion for running the perfect B&B was obvious in everything! What she has done to this B&B is incredible (rehab, decoration, comfort,...
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Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:21 AM
My stay here was one of the highlights of my Katy trip! Lynn's passion for running the perfect B&B was obvious in everything! What she has done to this B&B is incredible (rehab, decoration, comfort, and amenities). She packed me a nice lunch for the no-service Weldon Springs area the next day too. Five stars!

 
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:21 AM
My stay here was one of the highlights of my Katy trip! Lynn's passion for running the perfect B&B was obvious in everything! What she has done to this B&B is incredible (rehab, decoration, comfort, and amenities). She packed me a nice lunch for the no-service Weldon Springs area the next day too. Five stars!


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Cliff Manor Bed & Breakfast Inn (Jefferson City)
 -  + I didn't have the good luck to stay here (next time I hope it will work out!), but want to rave about Thom's hospitality. I arrived at the No. Jeff trailhead after wet and muddy, and he graciously ga...
Discussion started 04/30/2009 08:15 AM by Ann - 0 replies
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:15 AM
I didn't have the good luck to stay here (next time I hope it will work out!), but want to rave about Thom's hospitality. I arrived at the No. Jeff trailhead after wet and muddy, and he graciously gave me a ride across the bridge to the front door of my hotel. He wouldn't accept anything for the transfer. He also gave me restaurant and tourist advice. This guy's the real deal!

 
Ann from Kansas City on 04/30/2009 08:15 AM
I didn't have the good luck to stay here (next time I hope it will work out!), but want to rave about Thom's hospitality. I arrived at the No. Jeff trailhead after wet and muddy, and he graciously gave me a ride across the bridge to the front door of my hotel. He wouldn't accept anything for the transfer. He also gave me restaurant and tourist advice. This guy's the real deal!


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North Jefferson Trailhead (N. Jefferson)
 -  + My son and I stopped here and was very hungary. We called Pizza Hut in Holts Summit and they delivered Pizza and Pepsi right to the Trail Head. It was very good. Be careful about saving leftovers, ...
Discussion started 04/29/2009 03:32 PM by Gean Hyder - 1 reply (last reply by Gary near Tebbetts at 04/29/2009 08:04 PM)
Gean Hyder from Nevada, Mo on 04/29/2009 03:32 PM
My son and I stopped here and was very hungary. We called Pizza Hut in Holts Summit and they delivered Pizza and Pepsi right to the Trail Head. It was very good. Be careful about saving leftovers, we strapped leftovers on my bike and parked it on a bike rack in Hartsburg. A big dog ate the pizza and bent my front wheel.

 
Gean Hyder from Nevada, Mo on 04/29/2009 03:32 PM
My son and I stopped here and was very hungary. We called Pizza Hut in Holts Summit and they delivered Pizza and Pepsi right to the Trail Head. It was very good. Be careful about saving leftovers, we strapped leftovers on my bike and parked it on a bike rack in Hartsburg. A big dog ate the pizza and bent my front wheel.

 
Gary near Tebbetts from Tebbetts on 04/29/2009 08:04 PM
Bent your front wheel? Are you sure that was a dog and not the Hartsburg Bigfoot?

 
Gary near Tebbetts from Tebbetts on 04/29/2009 08:04 PM
Bent your front wheel? Are you sure that was a dog and not the Hartsburg Bigfoot?


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Steamboat Junction Campground (Bluffton)
 -  + My son and I stayed in one of their cabins the second night on the trail. It was 100% better than I was expecting. The price was awsome. This was one of the cleanest places I've seen. I have never ...
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Gean Hyder from Nevada, Mo on 04/29/2009 03:25 PM
My son and I stayed in one of their cabins the second night on the trail. It was 100% better than I was expecting. The price was awsome. This was one of the cleanest places I've seen. I have never in my life seen a port-a-pottie as clean as this one. It was a long walk to get to the showers, but worth it, very clean.

 
Gean Hyder from Nevada, Mo on 04/29/2009 03:25 PM
My son and I stayed in one of their cabins the second night on the trail. It was 100% better than I was expecting. The price was awsome. This was one of the cleanest places I've seen. I have never in my life seen a port-a-pottie as clean as this one. It was a long walk to get to the showers, but worth it, very clean.


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Padres Cycle Inn
 -  + Looking at the info for the Katy DNR ride this year. Has anyone used the Padres Cycle Inn tent service before? Looks pretty nice, but pricey.
Thanks
Discussion started 04/15/2009 10:42 AM by MAH - 4 replies (last reply by chris at 04/28/2009 09:35 AM)
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 04/15/2009 10:42 AM
Looking at the info for the Katy DNR ride this year. Has anyone used the Padres Cycle Inn tent service before? Looks pretty nice, but pricey.

Thanks

 
stevie from saint louis on 04/15/2009 11:28 AM
I believe they are new this year to the Katy Trail ride. It appears they cater to people who don't have camping gear, so that is why the price is so high.

 
MAH on 04/16/2009 04:55 PM
Anyone out there that planning on using them for this year's Katy ride?

 
MAH on 04/21/2009 08:24 PM
We were kind of kicking around the idea of using Padres, but not really sure if we're going to. Was just wondering if anyone else is doing it.

 
chris from avon on 04/28/2009 09:35 AM
have used Padre's service on XOBA-Across Ohio Bicycle Adventure. they provide everything but your personal bedding. allows you to enjoy the rest of the day when you are done cycling as the setting up camp is done for you. he even has drinks and snacks available under a shade canopy where you can hang out with the other riders if you chose.


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Cafe Bella (Augusta)
 -  + We took a leisurely six-day trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, stopping for dinner at many great places along the trail. Cafe Bella was our favorite. Wonderful food!
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:57 PM
We took a leisurely six-day trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, stopping for dinner at many great places along the trail. Cafe Bella was our favorite. Wonderful food!

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:57 PM
We took a leisurely six-day trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, stopping for dinner at many great places along the trail. Cafe Bella was our favorite. Wonderful food!


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Murphys Bed and Breakfast (Hermann)
 -  + A lovely B&B. We stayed in the lower room, with our own private door out to the street. In the morning, at exactly the time we'd requested it, we found a carafe of hot coffee waiting outside our door....
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:52 PM
A lovely B&B. We stayed in the lower room, with our own private door out to the street. In the morning, at exactly the time we'd requested it, we found a carafe of hot coffee waiting outside our door. Thirty minutes later, a delicious full breakfast arrived on a tray and in baskets. We enjoyed this in our own private breakfast room. A great way to get ready for the trail!

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:52 PM
A lovely B&B. We stayed in the lower room, with our own private door out to the street. In the morning, at exactly the time we'd requested it, we found a carafe of hot coffee waiting outside our door. Thirty minutes later, a delicious full breakfast arrived on a tray and in baskets. We enjoyed this in our own private breakfast room. A great way to get ready for the trail!


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Dotty's Cafe (Hartsburg)
 -  + We rode hard and fast on a 98 degree day in July 2008 to get here by 2, in time for lunch. When we arrived, hot, thirsty and hungry, we found they had closed early (not enough business). What to do? F...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:44 PM
We rode hard and fast on a 98 degree day in July 2008 to get here by 2, in time for lunch. When we arrived, hot, thirsty and hungry, we found they had closed early (not enough business). What to do? Fortunately, the nice owner took pity on us and brought us huge glasses of lemonade and homemade cobbler and ice cream to enjoy on the front porch swing. This is a great place!

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:44 PM
We rode hard and fast on a 98 degree day in July 2008 to get here by 2, in time for lunch. When we arrived, hot, thirsty and hungry, we found they had closed early (not enough business). What to do? Fortunately, the nice owner took pity on us and brought us huge glasses of lemonade and homemade cobbler and ice cream to enjoy on the front porch swing. This is a great place!


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Bur Oak Tree (McBaine)
 -  + We're tree people, so seeing this giant was a highlight of our Clinton to St. Charles trip last July. Well worth stopping for an hour or so and just sitting at its base, soaking it in.

By the w...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:40 PM
We're tree people, so seeing this giant was a highlight of our Clinton to St. Charles trip last July. Well worth stopping for an hour or so and just sitting at its base, soaking it in.



By the way, the correct spelling is bur (not burr) oak. I found this in the Audubon Field Guide to Trees: "The common name describes the cup of the acorn, which slightly resembles the spiny bur of the chestnut."

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:40 PM
We're tree people, so seeing this giant was a highlight of our Clinton to St. Charles trip last July. Well worth stopping for an hour or so and just sitting at its base, soaking it in.



By the way, the correct spelling is bur (not burr) oak. I found this in the Audubon Field Guide to Trees: "The common name describes the cup of the acorn, which slightly resembles the spiny bur of the chestnut."


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Hotel Frederick (Boonville)
 -  + We had a leisurely trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, staying at six hotels and B&B's along the way. One was just barely adequate, most were excellent, but this place was awesome, our hand...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:02 PM
We had a leisurely trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, staying at six hotels and B&B's along the way. One was just barely adequate, most were excellent, but this place was awesome, our hands-down favorite! The restoration is magnificent -- in the rooms (each of which is unique - ask for a tour), the public areas, and the dining room, too. Even the bike storage room is a trip into history.

Apparently, the two men who bought the hotel in 2003(?) and restored it were graduates of the Kansas City Art Institute. Their work is a tribute to them and to their school. Stay here if you can!

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 05:02 PM
We had a leisurely trip from Clinton to St. Charles in July 2008, staying at six hotels and B&B's along the way. One was just barely adequate, most were excellent, but this place was awesome, our hands-down favorite! The restoration is magnificent -- in the rooms (each of which is unique - ask for a tour), the public areas, and the dining room, too. Even the bike storage room is a trip into history.

Apparently, the two men who bought the hotel in 2003(?) and restored it were graduates of the Kansas City Art Institute. Their work is a tribute to them and to their school. Stay here if you can!


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Beckys Burgers & Cones (Pilot Grove)
 -  + Great place for lunch. Worth planning your ride to get there during the lunch hours. Save room for the homemade desserts, including peach ice cream in the summer if you're lucky.

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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:52 PM
Great place for lunch. Worth planning your ride to get there during the lunch hours. Save room for the homemade desserts, including peach ice cream in the summer if you're lucky.


 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:52 PM
Great place for lunch. Worth planning your ride to get there during the lunch hours. Save room for the homemade desserts, including peach ice cream in the summer if you're lucky.



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Victory Shuttle & Taxi Service (Sedalia)
 -  + In July 2008, we rode Amtrak from Kirkwood to Sedalia, having made arrangements with Victory Shuttle to drive us and our bikes to Clinton to begin our trip. When we arrived in Sedalia, we called Cryst...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:50 PM
In July 2008, we rode Amtrak from Kirkwood to Sedalia, having made arrangements with Victory Shuttle to drive us and our bikes to Clinton to begin our trip. When we arrived in Sedalia, we called Crystal, our driver (we'd called the day before to confirm, which is a good idea) and she picked us up in less than 30 minutes. She was a good driver, a very engaging young woman, and we enjoyed our conversation with her on the short drive to the trail's beginning.

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:50 PM
In July 2008, we rode Amtrak from Kirkwood to Sedalia, having made arrangements with Victory Shuttle to drive us and our bikes to Clinton to begin our trip. When we arrived in Sedalia, we called Crystal, our driver (we'd called the day before to confirm, which is a good idea) and she picked us up in less than 30 minutes. She was a good driver, a very engaging young woman, and we enjoyed our conversation with her on the short drive to the trail's beginning.


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Hotel Bothwell (Sedalia)
 -  + We stayed here in July 2008 and had a great experience. Our room was huge, originally two rooms that had been made into one. One of the bathrooms had been converted into a walk-in closet, and we were ...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:43 PM
We stayed here in July 2008 and had a great experience. Our room was huge, originally two rooms that had been made into one. One of the bathrooms had been converted into a walk-in closet, and we were able to store our bikes in there. The Ivory Grill had good food, especially the asparagus appetizer.

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:43 PM
We stayed here in July 2008 and had a great experience. Our room was huge, originally two rooms that had been made into one. One of the bathrooms had been converted into a walk-in closet, and we were able to store our bikes in there. The Ivory Grill had good food, especially the asparagus appetizer.


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Cruce's Cabooses (Calhoun)
 -  + We stayed here in July 2008 and loved it. As prearranged, Damon picked us and our bikes up in town (Calhoun), where we'd purchased our dinner-to-go at the Bull's Eye. The cabooses are great, just the ...
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Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:35 PM
We stayed here in July 2008 and loved it. As prearranged, Damon picked us and our bikes up in town (Calhoun), where we'd purchased our dinner-to-go at the Bull's Eye. The cabooses are great, just the right mix of authenticity and comfort. We enjoyed the hammock out under the trees, watched the moon come up over the quiet woods that night, and had breakfast outside the next morning. It was an easy ride back to the trail the next day.

 
Ann and Pete from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 04:35 PM
We stayed here in July 2008 and loved it. As prearranged, Damon picked us and our bikes up in town (Calhoun), where we'd purchased our dinner-to-go at the Bull's Eye. The cabooses are great, just the right mix of authenticity and comfort. We enjoyed the hammock out under the trees, watched the moon come up over the quiet woods that night, and had breakfast outside the next morning. It was an easy ride back to the trail the next day.


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Has anyone run the entire Katy Trail from end to end (in one go)?
 -  + A friend of mine and I are ultrarunners (we run distances farther than a marathon of 26.2 miles). We are looking into running across the whole state of Missouri, including running all or almost all t...
Discussion started 04/20/2009 05:47 PM by David Stores - 5 replies (last reply by Dawn F. (Katy Trail Coordinator) at 04/27/2009 03:26 PM)
David Stores from Washington, Missouri on 04/20/2009 05:47 PM
A friend of mine and I are ultrarunners (we run distances farther than a marathon of 26.2 miles). We are looking into running across the whole state of Missouri, including running all or almost all the Katy Trail this summer of 2009. We would be probably be pushing a baby stroller (w/o the baby of course) with big wheels to hold our gear of food, water, sleeping bags etc. Does anyone know if this has been done before and by whom and in how much time? Does anyone know if it would be possible to run on the Katy Trail at night (cooler temps)? If there is a record for running the whole entire Katy Trail, what is it? If anyone has any information on these questions please drop me an email.

 
David Stores from Washington, Missouri on 04/20/2009 05:49 PM
BTW, my email is david.stores@gmail.com

 
Trek on 04/21/2009 07:57 AM
Well Forrest : ) that sounds like quite an undertaking! Is there perhaps an ultrarunners club, coilition, etc. that might have answers to some of those questions?



By state park rules the park is only open in the daytime. Is it possible to run it at night....yes......is it legal....no.

 
jd from gkc on 04/21/2009 06:47 PM
That's a terrific idea! "Through Runners." From what I've read, most of the documented records are for "One-Day Riders" and "Through Hikers." See the following site for more information on that: http://www.bikekatytrail.com/one-day.asp.



If you do do this run, be sure to send your details (miles, length of time etc) to the webmasters at this site for their information. You might also consider submitting a short summary of it to the Ride/Run/Hike Report section of this site, although not necessary, of course. Sounds like fun! Good luck.

 
David Stores from Washington, Missouri on 04/21/2009 09:28 PM
Thank you for your comments and info! My friend and I will be doing this for charity. Will give more details later...

 
Dawn F. (Katy Trail Coordinator) on 04/27/2009 03:26 PM
I hate to come across as "Big Brother" but wanted to comment on the reasoning behind the Katy Trail being a day-use (sunrise to sunset) facility and why we frown upon overnight use. When the Katy was initially established, we had many concerns from adjacent landowners about trespass, vandalism, etc. We tried to alleviate their concerns by promising we wouldn’t allow nighttime activities. Secondly, much of the Katy is in remote, rural areas with little lighting, making it difficult to ensure user safety at night. This is especially true of those sections immediately adjacent to the Missouri River.



For anyone interested in ultramarathons on the Katy, there is an organization in the process of planning a 50-mile race on the Katy, hopefully to occur sometime later this year. The name of the organization is "Rivermiles, LLC" and they also organize the MR340. I don't think they have anything posted on their Web site yet about the Katy race, but here's a link: http://rivermiles.com/mr340/.



David, good luck on your charity!


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 -  + As our plans are now, we will want to park our car at the St. Louis airport for security and pick up the train in Kirkwood. We need to get the 2 of us and our bikes to a motel in that area. What do ...
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Jan on 04/27/2009 11:52 AM
As our plans are now, we will want to park our car at the St. Louis airport for security and pick up the train in Kirkwood. We need to get the 2 of us and our bikes to a motel in that area. What do people suggest? A taxi van for us and our bikes or a shuttle? Opinions please?

Thanks

Jan

 
David in STL from St. Louis on 04/27/2009 12:21 PM
Hey Jan,



The airport parking garage is a bit pricey, so I would strongly recommend one of the perimeter lots. You may want to go to your hotel first and unload your bikes/gear, then take your car to the airport and head back. Most, if not all of these lots have shuttles, but I doubt they would be able to accomodate your bikes.



Hope you have a great trip,

David


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Dotty's Cafe (Hartsburg)
 -  + We had Dottie's for lunch today! Very friendly service and fast food! I will visit Dottie's again!
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C_Bunch from Lake of the Ozarks on 04/26/2009 09:47 PM
We had Dottie's for lunch today! Very friendly service and fast food! I will visit Dottie's again!

 
C_Bunch from Lake of the Ozarks on 04/26/2009 09:47 PM
We had Dottie's for lunch today! Very friendly service and fast food! I will visit Dottie's again!


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Summit Lake Winery (Hartsburg)
 -  + I stopped by the winery after riding from Hartsburg to Wilton and was greeted with a smile. The wine was great and there was plenty to taste! I have already recommended this winery to friends. However...
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I stopped by the winery after riding from Hartsburg to Wilton and was greeted with a smile. The wine was great and there was plenty to taste! I have already recommended this winery to friends. However, bring cash because they accept cash or checks and the atm we chose to use in the local tavern was out of order!

 
C_Bunch from Lake of the Ozarks on 04/26/2009 09:44 PM
I stopped by the winery after riding from Hartsburg to Wilton and was greeted with a smile. The wine was great and there was plenty to taste! I have already recommended this winery to friends. However, bring cash because they accept cash or checks and the atm we chose to use in the local tavern was out of order!


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horseback riding
 -  + I am looking for a place to rent horses near St Charles
(8 experiened riders) for the first week in October
please call 636-946-0619 or e-mail Rhonaloc@charter.net
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Rhona Lococo from St. Charles on 04/24/2009 11:47 AM
I am looking for a place to rent horses near St Charles

(8 experiened riders) for the first week in October

please call 636-946-0619 or e-mail Rhonaloc@charter.net


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putt-putt golf
 -  + Does anyone have suggestions for mini golf or putt-putt golf* courses between St. Charles and Columbia (or a few miles off the path along this stretch)? We are touring this portion of the trail and s...
Discussion started 04/22/2009 02:03 PM by Wendy Boka - 2 replies (last reply by Trek at 04/22/2009 03:00 PM)
Wendy Boka from Des Moines, IA on 04/22/2009 02:03 PM
Does anyone have suggestions for mini golf or putt-putt golf* courses between St. Charles and Columbia (or a few miles off the path along this stretch)? We are touring this portion of the trail and state next month and we love mini golf! We would especially be interested in courses with obstacles, like loops and waterfalls.



Any recommendations are appreciated!



Happy Trails,

Wendy



*My husband says "mini golf" is just like regular golf, but on a smaller scale; while "putt putt" has novelty obstacles like loop-de-loops and windmills, etc. Of all the people we have mentioned this to, only one other person seems to make this distinction, but I suppose that is beside the point; just an interesting thing to stir up conversation....

 
Anonymous on 04/22/2009 02:20 PM
I believe there is still one at the Turkey Creek Golf Center about 1/2 mile from the Jeff City trailhead.

 
Trek on 04/22/2009 03:00 PM
Soooo....last year on the Elroy-Sparta when my riding partner went over the handlebars loop-de-loop.....she did a putt putt?



I'll tell her in the big scheme of things, that was just a novelty obstacle! Thanks!


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Burr Oak Tree (McBaine)
 -  + The land owner is john Sam williamson. He lives in the house on the hill northwest of the
big tree. The land was passed down from his father. The plaque is in a museum in at.
Louis.
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The land owner is john Sam williamson. He lives in the house on the hill northwest of the

big tree. The land was passed down from his father. The plaque is in a museum in at.

Louis.

 
Dorian from huntsdale, mo on 04/21/2009 12:51 PM
The land owner is john Sam williamson. He lives in the house on the hill northwest of the

big tree. The land was passed down from his father. The plaque is in a museum in at.

Louis.


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Dorian from huntsdale, mo on 04/21/2009 12:47 PM
The land owner is john Sam williamson. He lives in the house on the hill northwest of the

big tree. The land was passed down from his father. The plaque is in a museum in at.

Louis.

 
Dorian from huntsdale, mo on 04/21/2009 12:47 PM
The land owner is john Sam williamson. He lives in the house on the hill northwest of the

big tree. The land was passed down from his father. The plaque is in a museum in at.

Louis.


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 -  + Do you know what time the shuttle will run from St Charles to Clinton for the start of the DNR bike ride in June? We want to park the truck in St Charles on Sunday (June 21st) and be transported to C...
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Do you know what time the shuttle will run from St Charles to Clinton for the start of the DNR bike ride in June? We want to park the truck in St Charles on Sunday (June 21st) and be transported to Clinton (with bikes) for the ride which begins on Monday. Will there be a place to camp/tent in Clinton when we get there?

 
Trek on 04/21/2009 07:58 AM
DNR who sponsors the ride could probably best answer questions about the logistics of their trip.

 
MAH on 04/21/2009 12:11 PM
Hi, we've done the Katy Ride with the DNR before and the shuttle seems to have left around mid morning (if you've signed up for the shuttle, your packet which comes in May will have that info). On Sunday eve before starting on Monday, there is camping for all the riders. 2 years ago it was at a community center just across the road from the Katy.See you there!


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Boonville
 -  + Is there a good place for long term parking near the depot?
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Timon of Athens from Lawrence on 04/14/2009 10:21 AM
Is there a good place for long term parking near the depot?

 
Trek on 04/14/2009 10:48 AM
You could probably leave your car at the trailhead just south of the depot. I've left mine there overnite and never had a problem. I've also left it in the Comfort Inn parking lot after a nites stay and it's been okay.

 
My Name is Paul from Boonville on 04/15/2009 03:29 PM
You should have no problem parking at the Katy Depot in Boonville. It's downtown near the casino and well-lit.

 
Cliff from Edwardsville KS on 04/20/2009 12:34 PM
Timon, I have left my truck parked at the trailhead in Boonville and spent several nights away on the trail and never had a problem.


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 -  + I'm planning a West to East assault 4/16, 17 & 18. I'm planning on heading from Clinton to New Franklin on day 1, New Franklin to Hermann day 2, and then heading to St. Charles on day 3. Any thought...
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I'm planning a West to East assault 4/16, 17 & 18. I'm planning on heading from Clinton to New Franklin on day 1, New Franklin to Hermann day 2, and then heading to St. Charles on day 3. Any thoughts on trail conditions / weather?

 
Robin from Macon, MO on 04/19/2009 08:14 PM
Mick...missed your post prior to you leaving but please let me know how your ride was. I am also planning a West to East ride in September...I have not done this before so any information that you could share with me would be greatly appreciated. I hope you enjoyed!!!


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Burr Oak Tree (McBaine)
 -  + I drove by the Big Tree today.. I'm actually trying to get more information about the tree. Does anyone know who owns the land it's on? I noticed that it's marker has been vandalized ):
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Steph from Titusville, FL on 06/21/2007 12:14 AM
I drove by the Big Tree today.. I'm actually trying to get more information about the tree. Does anyone know who owns the land it's on? I noticed that it's marker has been vandalized ):

 
Steph from Titusville, FL on 06/21/2007 12:14 AM
I drove by the Big Tree today.. I'm actually trying to get more information about the tree. Does anyone know who owns the land it's on? I noticed that it's marker has been vandalized ):

 
Michael from Columbia on 06/22/2007 12:59 PM
This person owns both sides of the street the tree is on:



Owner WILLIAMSON JOHN SAM JR


 
Michael from Columbia on 06/22/2007 12:59 PM
This person owns both sides of the street the tree is on:



Owner WILLIAMSON JOHN SAM JR


 
Ana from Huntsdale MO on 06/28/2007 11:34 AM
It is the Missouri State Champion Bur Oak, in fact. Last measured

It is 84 feet tall with a spread of 116 feet. It has a circumference of 272 inches at 54" above the ground. It's about 350 years old.



The big tree is located on the Williamson farm, about a mile from Huntsdale,Missouri, in the Missouri River floodplain.



There were some fears locally that it would not survive the Great Flood of 1993, but despite standing in six feet of water for awhile, the tree survived without problems.



The big tree has been a favorite local destination for generations. It's a great spot for picnics, or just to visit. It's also very photogenic. Some of the residents of Huntsdale try to keep the tree safe and cleaned up, but it is difficult when some visitors just trash the area and graffiti the stone.



Enjoy - Ana

 
Ana from Huntsdale MO on 06/28/2007 11:34 AM
It is the Missouri State Champion Bur Oak, in fact. Last measured

It is 84 feet tall with a spread of 116 feet. It has a circumference of 272 inches at 54" above the ground. It's about 350 years old.



The big tree is located on the Williamson farm, about a mile from Huntsdale,Missouri, in the Missouri River floodplain.



There were some fears locally that it would not survive the Great Flood of 1993, but despite standing in six feet of water for awhile, the tree survived without problems.



The big tree has been a favorite local destination for generations. It's a great spot for picnics, or just to visit. It's also very photogenic. Some of the residents of Huntsdale try to keep the tree safe and cleaned up, but it is difficult when some visitors just trash the area and graffiti the stone.



Enjoy - Ana

 
D.McBaine from Warrensburg on 06/28/2007 07:49 PM
I think it is amazing.......lots of history...even more appealing is my family history in this area!

 
D.McBaine from Warrensburg on 06/28/2007 07:49 PM
I think it is amazing.......lots of history...even more appealing is my family history in this area!

 
brennan from phoenix on 04/14/2009 04:06 AM
I grew up on the williams farm it used to stretch accross the whole bottom my grandmother owns luciles tavern in mcbaine she knows the history of the whole river bottom and I am pretty sure that tree is the biggest burr oak in the world but i could be wrong

John Williams who owns the land fought against the katy trail as the land used to build the railroad was leased from the local farmers and was suppose to be returned to them if the rail pulled out instead it was stolen by the government from the local land owners they fought it to (I can be wrong) the US Supreme Court but in the end the lost and the katy trail isn't as bad as they all thought it would be anyways..just fyi

 
brennan from phoenix on 04/14/2009 04:06 AM
I grew up on the williams farm it used to stretch accross the whole bottom my grandmother owns luciles tavern in mcbaine she knows the history of the whole river bottom and I am pretty sure that tree is the biggest burr oak in the world but i could be wrong

John Williams who owns the land fought against the katy trail as the land used to build the railroad was leased from the local farmers and was suppose to be returned to them if the rail pulled out instead it was stolen by the government from the local land owners they fought it to (I can be wrong) the US Supreme Court but in the end the lost and the katy trail isn't as bad as they all thought it would be anyways..just fyi

 
Arkie on 04/16/2009 07:27 PM
I am glad they "stole" it. The old railroad grade won't grow anything but white rocks anyway. Might as well use it ride bicycles.

 
Arkie on 04/16/2009 07:27 PM
I am glad they "stole" it. The old railroad grade won't grow anything but white rocks anyway. Might as well use it ride bicycles.


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 -  + We are planning a day ride with a group of friends in May. Since some of them don't have bikes, we are doing this out of Rocheport, and suggested the Trailside for bike rental. I wanted to send them t...
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We are planning a day ride with a group of friends in May. Since some of them don't have bikes, we are doing this out of Rocheport, and suggested the Trailside for bike rental. I wanted to send them the website link for the Trailside so they could check prices and bikes and reserve ahead of time. However, the site listed for Trailside comes up as CLOSED. Does anyone know if they have another site?

 
Trek on 04/14/2009 10:57 AM
I've experience the same thing Kim. As far as I know there is not another site. It would probably be best to call Larry at the bike shop for rental info, etc.


 
Mike Friedemann from Rocheport on 04/15/2009 02:43 PM
The Trailside is having some problems with their websiten due to a hacker - it's not up as of this writing - but Larry assures me the site with new content will be functional within a week. Notwithstanding, they are open with hours posted - visit www.rocheport.com/whattodo.php and scroll down to their listing for hours. Phone number is 573.698.2702. Hope this helps . . .


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 -  + we want to fly near clinton and fly out of st charles (st louis).. has anyone done that?

seems like the shuttle is very expensive?
is the train cheaper. will it take us back to clinton..Discussion started 04/15/2009 12:22 AM by jennifer - 2 replies (last reply by Trek at 04/15/2009 08:46 AM)
jennifer from san francisco on 04/15/2009 12:22 AM
we want to fly near clinton and fly out of st charles (st louis).. has anyone done that?



seems like the shuttle is very expensive?

is the train cheaper. will it take us back to clinton..

i heard it is best to start at clinton and end in st. charles



any advice would be great!

 
Sluggo on 04/15/2009 07:16 AM
West to east is the norm as there is a greater chance of tailwind and logistics can work better for you. Shuttle expensive? For one definitely. For four, not so much. The train charges per person and bike, the shuttle usually is one cost for up to four riders as it is basically the same distance and time for the driver. Trains leave and arrive at Amtrak convenience, seldom on schedule, and shuttles do this at the riders convenience.Considering actual vehicle costs and total mileage(double what the customer pays for) the driver makes less than 30 cents per mile. IF they can average 50 miles an hour with loading and unloading and driving delays they are lucky to make $15 an hour. And although people routinely tip a cab driver for the ride, shuttle drivers rarely receive tips. Personally, I'd rather give my money to a small businessman that caters to my time than a corporation that lobbies the government for subsidies and then makes it difficult for cyclists to use their service.

 
Trek on 04/15/2009 08:46 AM
Amtrak has a website that you can check routes, fares, etc. The route is KC to Warrensburg, Sedalis, Jeff City and so on. It does not go through Clinton.


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Cowboy Trail Nebraska
 -  + Yes - I know this is the Katy Trail forum. But I'd like to know if any of you out there have biked the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska. While it appears to be a well-developed trail, it's hard to find any in...
Discussion started 04/02/2009 12:53 PM by kim - 2 replies (last reply by Steve in Nebraska at 04/13/2009 04:24 PM)
kim from independence, mo on 04/02/2009 12:53 PM
Yes - I know this is the Katy Trail forum. But I'd like to know if any of you out there have biked the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska. While it appears to be a well-developed trail, it's hard to find any info on it that isn't 2 years old.



Any Info? I would appreciate it.

 
Jim from Fort Bragg, CA on 04/05/2009 01:57 PM
Kim - Send me an e-mail and I'll forward you the latest on the Cowboy Trail that I received last month. It's too long for this website!

Jim

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Steve in Nebraska from Hastings, Nebraska on 04/13/2009 04:24 PM
I just checked with Nebraska Games and Parks as my wife and I are planning on riding the Cowboy Trail this summer. I was told that the trail is complete from Valentine to Norfolk. I have hiked some of the trail and it is all crushed limestone.

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