Katy Trail Forum

Well - I've only read one other experience on here in doing the whole trail in a day - an attempt I'll be making on May 6.



Anyone have any thoughts/tips/tricks on making the most out of the trail. I hear it's mostly like a soft pavement, and it will handle a road bike easily. I hope that's right.



I have a support crew coming with me, and we'll be starting in St. Charles, and finishing in Clinton - any tips on how the entirety of the trail would feel is helpful.

Why on earth would you want to do this? (I know, if I have to ask why, I wouldn't understand...) Your post indicates you have never been on the Katy Trail? You should take your road bike on a section of the trail at least once before the 'big day' so you have first hand knowledge of what the surface is like.



A couple of tips:

1. Don't be so worried about time that you become careless at places where the trail crosses roads & highways - lest you become someone's hood ornament!

2. If I were to attempt this (fat chance!), I would do it on a weekday, not a weekend (May 6 is a Saturday). You will be in Rocheport in the middle of the day or early evening and there will be a lot of traffic on the trail there on a Saturday. That will force you to slow down. Weekend cyclists, old folks walking side-by-side, families with little ones on their bikes wobbling all over the trail...people using the trail as it was meant to be used. It is discourteous and dangerous to pass these people doing 20+ MPH.

Have you ridden on the trail before? I would not even attempt the entire trail on a road

bike. The folks I have seen on the trail with road bikes are the ones I have stopped to help

because they have 2 flat tires. Parts of the trail are pavement- like, but parts of it are loose

gravel, like 2 inches deep, and parts of it are larger rock. The parts of the trail that have

higher ridership have a more solid surface. The parts that are less traveled have a rougher

surface. And this time of year, you are more likely to encounter rough trail, larger rock and

looser gravel as this is the time of year that they do maintenance on the trail and it takes a

while for the gravel to pack down. Also, from Sedalia to Clinton you may encounter rough

terrain due to the horse traffic. I ride a Trek mountain bike with tires that are about 1.25

inches and smooth tread and I can easily do 20+ mph, but like savage24 says, you can't

do that kind of speed on a weekend when there are lots of little ones and inexperienced

riders on the trail. And, do slow down for the crossings and watch out for the wooden

guards at the crossings, there have been some serious accidents with people running into

those guards. I wouldn't even attempt narrower tires. Conversely, I wouldn't ride with

wider knobby tires either because they really aren't necessary and slow you down. Also,

your road bike just isn't built to withstand rough terrain. I wouldn't take my road bike on

the trail. But, remember you you need help, Hartsburg Cycle Depot is a full surface bike

shop and can help you out. And, well, have fun!

One more thing: If you do decide to do this on a road bike, despite the warnings above, you may want to postpone your trip if it rains a day or two before the trip, or if there's an extended rainy period during the week before. As you probably have read elsewhere in this forum, skinny tires do not do well after the trail has been softened up by rain.

However and whenever you make your one-day ride, let us know how it turns out. Good luck!

Scott,



Good luck on achieving your goal. Before you start this attempt, I highly recommend:

1) That you have completed several centuries comfortably and at least one double century in the last few years.

2) That you have at least 1500 miles in the saddle in the 6 months prior to the attept.

3) That you have ridden on the KATY (or one of identical construction) for at least 2 hours to get a real gauge of the rolling resistance.



I wouldn't sweat all the talk about not using road tires/bike. I have ridden every inch of the trail on road bike at least twice. I have also ridden a fair amount of the trail on a mountain bike. Faster is not always better, but I can go much faster on the road bike. Just ride aware and get tires with a Kevlar belt.

These folks have really given you some sound advice, but one other thing to think about is this is a day use facility and is only open from Sunrise to Sunset. Being on the trail before or after is considered trespassing, for safety reasons the Rangers are strict about this and you could be fined. On May 6th, the trail opens at 5:59 am in St. Charles and closes at 8:10 in Clinton. This gives you 14 hours and 11 minutes to complete your ride. The fastest anyone has rode the trail to date is 14 hours, 1 minute, 12 seconds. This was accomplished by a professional rider who purposely attempted this feat on June 24th, the longest day of the year. He also rode west to east which is down wind and down hill. You have chose to ride against the wind and uphill. Good luck!!

entire trail in a day is missing the point of the trail

to enjoy the scenery, the towns, the people...



i rode the WHOLE trail front and back in a week and loved it.. on a road bike no less..



I would NEVER consider riding the trail of 269 miles in a day it just doesn't make sense

Thanks for all the advice guys. As far as the bike - I've chosen my hybrind with kevlar tires. It's a good mix of mt. bike/road bike, and the one I have the most saddle time in.



I have the fitness/preparedness down on this, I've done a couple centuries, and spent the entire distance (in a trainer) a few times too.



As far as the trail surface/closing times/traffic volume - those are great points, and I may have to rethink a few things.

Hybrid with kevlar tires is a good choice. I run Panaracer messenger tires that are kevlar

and have never had a problem with them. The ones I have came from Hartsburg Cycle

Depot but the Bicycle Shack in KC (off of Blue Ridge) also carries them. They have served

me well!



Take a day and go spend the day riding the trail as a test run. You will find it different

than either road biking or time on a trainer. Some roadies talk bad about the trail as not

being challenging because there are no hills, but the trail has its own challenges...if you

want them. So, have fun. Try a the trail in halfs...start in Clinton and ride to Hartsburg

(check out the Cycle Depot while you are there!), spend the night, and ride back to Clinton

the next day. Would be a good test run to try in May. Then, if you still want to give it a

go, pick a day when the daylight hours are longer and go for it!

Road bike? Mountain bike? Hybrid? Don't make no difference. It all depends on what works for YOU. Go ride some of the trail on every bike you have and see which one works best. I think which bike is best is dependent more on what you like to ride, your size, how fast you like to go, how much stuff you carry with you, and so on. For instance, I don't care for road bikes on any surface but pavement. Sure, it may just be my imagination, but they don't grip the ground tight enough with those tiny little tires to stay under my big butt. I like big tires, (got the same on my truck, by the way)guess its my redneck upbringing. Do some test riding, figure out what works for your style of riding, and then go for it.



The only other advice I'd give is to agree with the "don't do it on a weekend" thing. It will be safer for all, and will keep your frustration level down. Be careful at the places where the trail crosses the road, and there are several places where farmers cross with tractors and trucks that aren't marked with signs the way the road crossings are. Don't get so engrossed that you overlook the big slow tractor.

Slap on some Continental Ultra Gatorskin 700 x 28's or an equivalent Armadillo model and have at it! A support vehicle is a huge plus.



Actually there are 4 known individuals who have acheived this feat including a group of 3 and a solo.



I am planning on a 2-day entire trail trip in late spring or early summer. I figure 14MPH x 8hrs/day pedaling time x 2 days on a modified cyclocross bike. Yes we can all go faster than that but we are talking about 16 hours here. One day? eeeooowww.

If the weather holds up, we'll be passing each other as I'll be (unsupported) on a West to East 1-day crossing. (CX bike/28c bulletproof road tires). Make sure you wave!



I wouldn't make the most of the trail if your goal is to finish. Stay on your bike and keeping pedalling.



My main caution is regarding the wind..would make for a very long east-west day.



My next caution is calories..but I'm assuming you've got ultra-cycling eating dialed if you're doing this.



Good luck!

There is alot of good advice above but the one that stands out is the direction. Go West to East if you can. It would be unusual for the wind to be from the east and as we all know the wind can ruin a trip. Use the prevailing west winds to your advantage. Also, the highway is closer to the trail in general on the east portion than the west and one would surmise you will want to be closer to the support vehicle towards the end.



Did I read correctly that KDS and SR are attempting 1-day entire trail crossings on the same day?

The notion that the prevailing wind is out of the west is not true. Check out the wind roses for Columbia at:

ftp://ftp.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/downloads/climate/windrose/missouri/columbia/

There's very little difference in the wind coming from the West or East. It's apparent that the wind is most frequent and strongest out of the South.

Thank you everybody for your feedback, as I will be attempting Sedalia to St Charles on Monday June 3. This is a west to east, weekday ride. I plan to stick with my roadbike but with an upgrade of the tires. I've enjoyed reading the different perspectives from different kinds of folks-- as for those wondering why one would attempt the trail in one day, its because its there. I'm sure I will come back and do it the civilized way another time, as my main hobby is trains.

You should have plenty of time to prepare and train for your ride as June 3 will next be on a Monday in 2013. :)



Perhaps you mean Saturday, June 3, Monday, June 5, or Monday July 3.

OK Scott, May 6th has passed. Tell us all of the gory details.

I was on the trail all day May 6 and didn't see either of the one-day riders. What happened? Did I blink at the wrong moment?

All:



Just finished Sedalia to Page Bridge and then on to Webster Groves this past weekend (Aug 4/5.) - unsupported.

Time: 22 hours (10:00 a.m. to 8:00 the next morning - straight thru)

Distance: 214 miles

Advice - Assos chamois creme and change shorts often, solid food hard to come by in the middle of the night, water too. Cateye 530 LED light has enough burn power to go all night - only used my halogen Nite Rider when absolutely necessary.

Outsprinting farm dogs gives needed adrenaline rush in the middle of the night. Happened to me 3X. Recommended tires - black ones (for the record I used some 26 x 2" mostly slicks from a hybrid - no not 700c's! - 26's). Hygiene is key. Take care of your mouth, feet, hands and rear. Read Ed Burke's book "ong distance cycling".

Finally - listen to your body. If you take care of it you'll have enough mental reserves to deal with the biggest hurdle - your own mind.



Have fun and God speed!

Hello Scott. I am the rider who has, to date, posted the fastest one day trail trip. I rode from Clinton to St. Charles on June 22, 2007 in just over 14 hours. I rode West to East for two reasons: #1. All the hills are on the West end of the trail. #2. It is somewhat down hill as it follows the river. I did the ride on a cyclo-cross bike with 700-32 cyclo-cross tires with a very low knobby. I averaged 16.5 MPH and had only 15 minutes of stops during the day. I burned and estimated 15,000 calories but was only able to take in around 6000. I lost 5 pounds in the week which followed. It is a real test of your body and mind and one you will cherish for the rest of your life. I do not recommend doing this on a weekend. My ride was on a Friday. I am planning to do this again on June 20th and will be trying to break the 14 hour mark. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Congrats on your goal. Luckily you're located not far from the trail, so you'll be able to do it numerous times. The trail is usually pavement hard, esp in the summer and fall. Thus, you might consider three things: 1. good tires, e.g., Ultra Gatorskin (25-28-mm) with thorn liners; 2. the amount of daylight time (since you're not going for a record of 14-hr, you might want a longer weekday), and 3. the wearing of blinders (in your mind) so you won't be distracted by the vast amount of scenery, wildlife, historical sites, events, quaint villages, and neat people on/along the trail. Good luck.

William, you might want to note that the DNR ride this year is finishing up on June 20 - I believe they are riding west to east and will finish in Clinton. This means you will encounter 300+ riders going the other direction. Although I'm sure everyone tries to follow the trail rules, you may find this slows you down.

If you start early in the morning, you may pass the group before they get started. However, you might want to check the DNR ride schedule to be sure of this. I believe they will be on the Sedalia to Clinton section on that day.

Wow, Kim. The DNR ride is traveling west to east and will finish in Clinton? Isn't that a 25,000 mile ride?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

:-)

Or....perhaps it's a very short ride this year....starting and ending in Clinton. I'd just stop and watch the parade go by then finish my 6 block ride with ease.

Corrections to directions

:)(it rhymes)



The DNR ride will be going EAST to WEST this year.

I called Katy Trail Shuttle and the wrong phone is listed on the web. The man who answered said he'd tried to get them to change the website, and they hadn't. He gets about 10 calls a day on his cell. All I can say is that's not a very responsive business, and they can't be helping their bottom line this way. What about enlightened self-interest?

Yep, it looks like Katy Trail shuttle is no more - I've removed their listing from this website. As for the guy with the cell phone, I'm not sure who he asked to get the number removed from the website, but it wasn't anyone here at BikeKatyTrail.com. But his phone will be silent now.

I've stopped at this place twice on separate rides. They won't blow you away with kindness or personality, but store does have a very nice selection of simple groceries, drinks and snacks. You have to go to the store for water since the trailhead has nothing!

I've stopped at this place twice on separate rides. They won't blow you away with kindness or personality, but store does have a very nice selection of simple groceries, drinks and snacks. You have to go to the store for water since the trailhead has nothing!

You can't count on the Tebbetts or Steedman eateries to be open. I think they've closed Steedman. Mokane has a great Bar/Grill and also a Grocery Store Deli. Take your pick. They both have restrooms if you buy something there. The locals are usually there and they love hearing your story of where you are from and going. They also have a post office to mail your postcards and they will postmark it from Mokane if you want. I've always been treated nice there.

You can't count on the Tebbetts or Steedman eateries to be open. I think they've closed Steedman. Mokane has a great Bar/Grill and also a Grocery Store Deli. Take your pick. They both have restrooms if you buy something there. The locals are usually there and they love hearing your story of where you are from and going. They also have a post office to mail your postcards and they will postmark it from Mokane if you want. I've always been treated nice there.

I would like to hear from anyone that has particapted in the Katy Trail Ride that is sponsered by the State Parks Foundation and the Missouri Dept of Natural Resources. It sounds like a great way to experience the trail. I do see the the registrations is limited to 300 riders. How many people try to register? What are the chances to be able to particapate? Any information would be apprecitated.

Last year I signed up only a few weeks before the deadline and was accepted. And as I recall there were over 300 people in the ride.



It's a pretty good ride. If you like to ride by yourself and enjoy the scenery, you can do that. If you like to ride with a group of friends and socialize, you can do that. I'll probably do it again sometime.

This is the best hometown bar ever! They are all very friendly, everyone is like family and the burgers are the best ever!! They beat any burger you could get anywhere else, they are not stingy on the meat. Weekends are full of entertainment. You have to try it out at least once, and I would put money on you would come back.

This is the best hometown bar ever! They are all very friendly, everyone is like family and the burgers are the best ever!! They beat any burger you could get anywhere else, they are not stingy on the meat. Weekends are full of entertainment. You have to try it out at least once, and I would put money on you would come back.

Has anyone made the ride from kc area too sedalia or clinton.

Sunday I drove [in my car]58 out of belton to holden then 131 south to county road b ,58 was two lane no shoulder and hilly.that would be a long and stressful ride .does anyone have a better route were do missourians ride.

This question comes up from time to time. Here is an earlier discussion with some great route info: http://www.bikekatytrail.com/talk.aspx?thid=1567

And here's another thread that you'll find relevant, although it focuses on the roads between Warrensburg and Clinton: http://www.bikekatytrail.com/talk.aspx?thid=101

Good luck!

Hey thanks to everyone who wrote back with their ideas. We stayed at the Carriage house in Rocheport. First afternoon we headed East and made it about 4+ mi. The kids loved the caves and especially the hike up hill to them--my youngest got almost all the way up and lost his footing and we held our breath as we watched him slide down to the bottem on his belly--no damage done, though. The second day was quite eventful and a little on the windy side. We first saw the tunnel and then headed east stopping at the caves again. When we came upon the farm with the goats running free along the road, I stopped to explain what a goat was to my city kids and heard one crying off in the fields. I walked over to find one giving birth or trying to. My 20 year old daughter takes one look and walks away saying, "this is why I'm never having kids!" We told the farmer about his goat and he said that he might have to pull the kid out and we were welcome to watch, but we didn't. On our way back, we were invited to come over the fence and meet the new baby. We hung around for 30 minutes getting an education on farm life and farm animals and the kids had a great time as all the little baby kids tried to nurse on their fingers and clothing! The farmer told us to come back during the summer and pick things from his garden! All in all it was a great trip and the kids did well. My oldest starts out like an old lady going at a turtle speed, but in the end he finished before everyone and can't wait to go back. My 6 year old is a sprinter, we couldn't keep up with her on the way out, but she was crying for the last 2 mi, because her legs hurt--had a talk about pacing herself next time. My youngest complained alot in the beginning, was hungry the whole way (I'll need to bring more food next time), but he finished pretty strong. They are all extremely proud that they rode over 20 mi in two days. GREAT TRIP!!!!!!

Sounds like you had a great trip and something that the kids will always remember... isn't that what it's all about in the end?

It was nice meeting your crew, glad you got everyone back OK. "Little on the windy side"? When we got back to the hotel an hour or so later, the Weather Channel was showing 22 MPH winds gusting to 34.

This was a fun place to visit and within walking distance from "down town" Augusta. The staff was friendly. We didn't visit the other wineries because they were on the highway, or we had to back further to get to them and we were too hot to bike anymore that day. The wine was pretty good too!

This was a fun place to visit and within walking distance from "down town" Augusta. The staff was friendly. We didn't visit the other wineries because they were on the highway, or we had to back further to get to them and we were too hot to bike anymore that day. The wine was pretty good too!

Do not visit Augusta without going to AUGUSTA WINERY. I repeat, do not miss this winery. Sure, it is very small and crowded but possesses a unique charm. You will not find a better bang for the buck anywhere in Missouri Wine Country. They also have great case sales. Their Norton is one of the best.

Do not visit Augusta without going to AUGUSTA WINERY. I repeat, do not miss this winery. Sure, it is very small and crowded but possesses a unique charm. You will not find a better bang for the buck anywhere in Missouri Wine Country. They also have great case sales. Their Norton is one of the best.

Another good 'un. Very nice staff and some very nice Norton. If you have a sweet tooth, give the ice wine a whirl. You might need insulin, tho.

Another good 'un. Very nice staff and some very nice Norton. If you have a sweet tooth, give the ice wine a whirl. You might need insulin, tho.

A little off the trail, but if you can check this one out. Some very good wines and great setting.

A little off the trail, but if you can check this one out. Some very good wines and great setting.

The view is unparalleled at this winery. This winery has expanded greatly within the last few years. The tasting room is vast in size and wine selection. The restaurant should be called, "The View!" They usually have entertainment on the weekends and their dry wines are quite nice. This is also a great place to stock up on picnic supplies for your other winery adventures.

The view is unparalleled at this winery. This winery has expanded greatly within the last few years. The tasting room is vast in size and wine selection. The restaurant should be called, "The View!" They usually have entertainment on the weekends and their dry wines are quite nice. This is also a great place to stock up on picnic supplies for your other winery adventures.

Ahh, Montelle, one of my two favorite wineries on the trail.

Ahh, Montelle, one of my two favorite wineries on the trail.

Is there any shuttle service based out of St. Louis that can take 2 people and 2 bikes from The end of the trail at St. Charles to Kirkwood Amtrak station? The only one I can find on this site is the one that requires a night at the B&B. Thanks

Show Me MO Tours has shuttle service from St. Charles to Kirkwood. www.showmemotours.com All prices are listed on the website.

My wife and I were shuttled to the Kirkwood Amtrak station by Barb last summer... Top notch service!

Great dry wines accompanied by wonderful Italian cuisine. Mama Mia!

Great dry wines accompanied by wonderful Italian cuisine. Mama Mia!

I was surprised of the poor comments about Mount Pleasant Winery. I consider myself a "wine snob" and visit not only Missouri Wineries, but most vacations will include a winery or two. Wake-up. Try visiting Napa, Sonoma or New Zealand without paying upwards of $45.00 to try estate wines. Or a tour of the winery. Sorry for the folks who pay $5.00 for a bottle of wine. You get what you pay for, I wouldn't cook with a $5.00 bottle of wine, let alone drink it. My experience with Mount Pleasant? I paid around $20.00 for a bottle of Vignoles that I compair to a New Zealand Sauv. Blanc. This was a great wine. I sat with my friends in the reserve section, and enjoyed the band. I'm "older" but didn't get so wasted that I couldn't ride back to our car. Sorry losers, you don't realize what you have. Next time don't stop and save your 5 bucks for some Mad Dog 20-20.

I was surprised of the poor comments about Mount Pleasant Winery. I consider myself a "wine snob" and visit not only Missouri Wineries, but most vacations will include a winery or two. Wake-up. Try visiting Napa, Sonoma or New Zealand without paying upwards of $45.00 to try estate wines. Or a tour of the winery. Sorry for the folks who pay $5.00 for a bottle of wine. You get what you pay for, I wouldn't cook with a $5.00 bottle of wine, let alone drink it. My experience with Mount Pleasant? I paid around $20.00 for a bottle of Vignoles that I compair to a New Zealand Sauv. Blanc. This was a great wine. I sat with my friends in the reserve section, and enjoyed the band. I'm "older" but didn't get so wasted that I couldn't ride back to our car. Sorry losers, you don't realize what you have. Next time don't stop and save your 5 bucks for some Mad Dog 20-20.

So I take it you want everyone to know you've been to Napa, Sonoma and New Zealand. My, oh my, You were pretty dead on with the part about being a snob.

I guess I better tuck my tail between my legs, go swill my Mad Dog and stagger back to my car.

--one of the "losers" :-)

So I take it you want everyone to know you've been to Napa, Sonoma and New Zealand. My, oh my, You were pretty dead on with the part about being a snob.

I guess I better tuck my tail between my legs, go swill my Mad Dog and stagger back to my car.

--one of the "losers" :-)

Nice touch GC. I especially enjoyed the double entry! :)

Nice touch GC. I especially enjoyed the double entry! :)

Ray,something has gone haywire. I laughed at the double entry above untill I realized I had done the same thing. Does this mean we are stuttering? :)

Ray,something has gone haywire. I laughed at the double entry above untill I realized I had done the same thing. Does this mean we are stuttering? :)

Say it aint so, JK!

Say it aint so, JK!

In response to Peter's travels, I appreciate his offerings of comparing Missouri wines to renowned wine districts. This is not the writing of a wine snob, just an informed oenophile. Yes, many wineries do charge for tasting now. Just soaking in the history of Mount Pleasant is worth the $5.00. Enjoy!

In response to Peter's travels, I appreciate his offerings of comparing Missouri wines to renowned wine districts. This is not the writing of a wine snob, just an informed oenophile. Yes, many wineries do charge for tasting now. Just soaking in the history of Mount Pleasant is worth the $5.00. Enjoy!

Has anyone heard if the Katy Trail sustained any damage in the recent flood? We are planning a 5 day trip soon. Thanks!

Read down a few posts to:

Flooding

Started: Mar 20 2008 7:33AM by Ray (webmaster)

I just rode from McKittrick to St. Charles yesterday, and all was fine...there were not even any puddles. The ground was pretty soft and slowed my trip somewhat (only averaged 18 mph)...but consider it fine...and I'm just guesing all to the west of McKittrick is fine as well.

My husband and I am planning a trip from Rocheport to St Charles. We plan on taking about 6 days enroute with a side trip to Herrman. Since it's technically all "downhill" is this a do-able trip?? We ride fairly frequently but never more than 20 miles in one day. And will our car be safe in Rocheport?? Is that a good trailhead?? We have relative in St Louis that will shuttle us back but do you know of any shuttle service that goes from St Charles to Rocheport?? And does anyone know how much that might cost?? Thanks for any help or suggestions!!

Its VERY doable. In fact, 6 days will give you a lot of time. You should be able to get lots of sight-seeing in. The Rocheport trailhead is very safe and may be the nicest one on the trail. And you will love Hermann. I won't go into all your questions, but tool around on this page and you will find everything you need to know. Have a good ride!

what G C said. you should have no problem at all. have fun, be safe, happy bikin.

check to see which trailhead towns have lodging available, it may require more than 20 miles a day on some days.

Once you get on the trail I think you will find 20 miles is not going to be very far to ride. You will probably end up ridng more.

Have a great ride!

Show Me Mo Tours @ www.showmemotours.com offers shuttle service all along the Katy Trail. A shuttle from St. Louis to Rocheport, based on four (4) riders & bikes & gear is $230.00. (314) 781-0015 or (314) 452-5513.

the shuttle to Rocheport is 150.00 plus a nights stay at our B&B call 636-946-0619 for details

Well thank God for a little competition! Folks here have asked for a long, long time how much shuttle services cost....and all they get is a number to call. Kudos to Barb with Show Me MO Tours for being so forthright with information! You shoulda showed up along time ago!