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St Charles Parking
Anonymous on 07/31/2004 11:17 AM
Where is the safest place in St. Charles to leave a car parked for two nights?

Trevor on 07/31/2004 09:10 PM
St Charles Trailhead is the best place. There's plenty of parking, and overnight parking is allowed. It's a busy enough area that there are usually people around, since the historic district is right there. And best of all, you're right on the trail!

Anonymous on 08/26/2004 07:50 PM
Trevor, You were right on! We had no problems leaving our vehicle there for two nights. Just to be on the safe side, I contacted the St. Charles PD to let them know it would be there... Thanx!

Shuttle service swap
savage24 from Kansas City, MO on 08/13/2004 02:37 AM
If you live in another state that has good rail trails and would like to ride the Katy Trail, contact me for a 'shuttle swap'. I will haul cyclists and bikes to any location on the Katy Trail in exchange for a similar service for myself on another trail. I am particularly interested in: Elroy-Sparta (WI), Little Miami (OH), Caprock Canyon (TX) and will consider other trails/states.

Contact: dwalc@netzero.com Put shuttle swap in the subject line so I know its not spam. Thanks!

Camping in Bluffton
srbella from lawrence on 05/24/2004 12:48 PM
Tried to contact the campground, and recieved a recording that the number was wrong. I then tried the B&B phone, and recieved a recording said # no longer in service. Is the campground open if so does anybody have the new number?

Scott N from Davenport on 08/09/2004 07:43 PM
Talked to the owner today, August 9th, 2004, her name is Sandra Benz. (314) 831-4807. The campground is open but the B&B is closed. Reservations only needed during Holidays and Peak times, otherwise they use the honor system and there is a drop box for fees.

Steve's End-to-end Ride July 2004
Steve from Grapevine, Texas on 07/29/2004 10:43 AM
We rode the entire trail from Clinton to St.Charles from Monday July 5 to Friday July 9. The storms on Sunday and Monday evening blew a lot of trees and branches on the trail between Sedalia and Booneville. It was still great fun though. We spent the night in Sedalia, Rocheport, Tebbets, and Treloar(actually drove up to Warrenton for the night). When we rolled into St.Charles on Friday evening, there was a band playing a concert in the pavillion near the final St.Charles trail kiosk. Very cool! It was a great trip!

End of the trail
BJM from Chesterfield on 07/23/2004 04:08 PM
Does anyone know the mile marker # at the end of the trail just north of the 370 bridge? Thanks.

Ray (webmaster) on 07/27/2004 04:56 AM
MM 38 is just south of the 370 Bridge; 37 is the first one to the north of the 370 Bridge.

By the way, the Mo DNR hopes to open the Katy Trail all the way to Machens (MM 27) within the next month or two. I've posted some basic information on the home page, and will update this info whenever I learn more.

trailer on the AMTRAK
heidi from st. louis on 06/22/2004 04:18 PM
our family is planning a trip to clinton via amtrak with bikes in tow and then riding east to st. charles in august. does anyone know how amenable amtrak is to hauling bike trailers in storage. i'm assuming we have to pay a surcharge, but is it even possible?

Jon from St. Louis on 06/22/2004 09:13 PM
I didn't understand your question completely. It didn't say where you were coming from, KC? STL? If your getting on the train in St. Louis (Kirkwood) they can haul a few bikes unboxed. Now, one thing- you can't get to Clinton on a train, they pulled the tracks up when they made the KT Trail. The train will take you to Sedalia, and you will have to find a shuttle to Clinton. Let me know, I have some phone numbers. Cost is 22.00/person 10.00 for the bike. You need to make your reservations ASAP. Like yesterday.

Jon from St. Louis on 06/22/2004 09:19 PM
It cut the rest of my message off on the last post. Go buy the book, "Katy Trail Guidebook" by Brett Dufur. It has quite a bit of info. Again, I would make your reservations now. Have fun. Check to see that the train your on takes the bike as is, or needs the handlebars parallel to the body of the bike. You shouldn't have to mess with that.

Ray (webmaster) on 06/24/2004 01:00 PM
Here is a link to Amtrak's baggage policy, which discusses "Special Items" like strollers, golf bags, and bikes. I would think that a trailer would be just another special item. Just to be sure, you might want to call them at 1-800-USA-RAIL (1-800-872-7245).

heidi from st. louis on 06/25/2004 07:24 AM
I called and spoke to the AMTRAK reservation/information line and when I asked about traveling with a toddler trailer, they had never been asked such a question. They said I could take the item boxed as long as the dimensions of the box did not exceed 22"x28"x14" and did not weigh more than 50 lbs. The reservationist also noted that there would be a surcharge although we never reached consensus about what that amount would be. I think our family is now leaning towards someone driving us to Clinton...it s

heidi from St. Louis on 06/25/2004 07:26 AM
...the rest of my comment was cut off. If anyone has traveled from Kirkwood to Sedalia on the train with a toddler trailer I would be interested to hear about your experience. Thanks to everyone for their previous input.

Bruce from San francisco on 08/18/2004 05:17 PM
I would like to take the same trip in early October,alone. If you have any info or suggestions I would appreciate them. I plan to rent a bike in St. Louis, Amtrack to Sedalia, ride to Clinton then back to St. Charles. Hopefully a 3-4 day trip. I prefer to stay overnight in lodging and not camp. My email is Bruce@bar-kmortgage.com

Thanks for your help!

Mile marker system
BikerBev from Chesterfield on 06/14/2004 07:16 AM
I'm new at riding the trail. Why are the mile markers here in the low 40s when this is the beginning of the trail? Is there more north of St. Chas.? Thanks.

Ray (webmaster) on 06/17/2004 01:05 PM
The Katy Trail uses the exact same mile markers that the railroad used. So even though the Katy Trail starts in St Charles, the railroad started their numbering somewhere 39 miles farther east/north. The DNR indicates that there is "undeveloped trail" for another 12 miles past St Charles, going through the towns of CuldeSac (34.5), Black Walnut (30.05), and Machens (26.9). But I do not know anything about the condition/ride-ability of this undeveloped section.

It's worth noting that because the trail leaves the railroad right-of-way in Rhineland and Sedalia, your actual mileage will differ slightly from the mile marker mileage when riding through these towns. As you follow the trail off of the railbed in these two towns, you are no longer travelling the measured distance of the railroad mile markers; you're actually riding a bit farther. This difference is minimal, but it's worth mentioning for those riders who wonder why their bike computers have suddenly gotten out of sync with the mile markers.

Page Bridge mile, St Charles bike parking
Tom B. on 06/10/2004 06:59 AM
What is the mile marker on the Katy Trail at Highway 364 (Page extension, between Saint Charles and Greens Bottom)? Where can we lock up our bikes in Historic Saint Charles? Thanks Tom

RayS on 06/10/2004 11:31 AM
The Page/364 Bridge is at mile 42.8, which is just over three miles from downtown St Charles.

Hambone on 06/12/2004 11:18 PM
You can find bike racks at these businesses on Main St: Lewis & Clarks Restaurant, Touring Cyclist, St Louis Bread Co, Caffe Tostare. Also at the pavilion in Riverside Park (near mile 39), and near the green caboose.

Safe evening rides in St Charles area
onefinecow from st. louis on 05/20/2004 09:35 PM
I ride Katy Trail in evening by myself in St.Charles and Weldon Springs area. Is safe for people to ride alone like that?

RayS on 05/24/2004 12:01 AM
I've never heard of any crime problems. You're certainly safer from cars by being on the trail.

Psychlist on 05/25/2004 10:46 PM
Officially, the trail is only open from sunup to sundown. Doubt that this is enforced though.

Printed Map
X on 04/28/2004 08:08 AM
Where can I get a printed map of the trail?

RayS on 05/23/2004 11:45 PM
The Missouri Department of Natural Resources has a glossy brochure which includes a map of the trail. They will send you one if you call them: 800-334-6946 or 660-882-8196.

Almost to 1000
froggy from NE Mo on 05/06/2004 09:42 PM
Well I'm ready for the first trip of the year tomorrow, almost to my first 1000 on the trail now, and it's different and new every trip. What an incredible resource for our state - if you like to ride, this is just about it. We do need to move it along on both sides...

Lew's October 2003 Photos
Lew from Elmhurst, IL on 05/05/2004 12:03 PM
I rode the trail in Oct. 2003 with my bicycle club. I don't have a ride report, but my photos are available at http://worthem.com/ktr

Mo state capital
Ray (webmaster) on 04/13/2004 06:43 AM
Watch for the nice view of the Missouri state capitol around the low 140's mile markers.

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