Katy Trail Forum

We have tried to camp there but gave up when we could not get anyone to contact or return requests for information. It would be helpful if SOMEONE would please update this site at least to let people know that the camping here is questionable at best. There are not too many choices on this end of the trail and I am getting too old for stealth camping.

SOMEONE does a great job of updating this site. We can all help by reporting info that has gone awol.

I googled the Missouri State Fair and found camping info. I didn't verify that the phone number there was correct, but it differs from the one here. The recording for the number listed here says that it has been disconnected.

Not knowing how full any camp ground may be, or if a hotel or B&B is booked at any given moment, it could be said about most any place along the trail that your ability to stay there may be questionable. Just because it is listed here or in the phone book, doen't mean that they'll have a spot open when you want to be there. SOMEONE will have a hard time fixing that one for you.

Wow! pull your horns back, Trek! I have been crusing this site, trip planning, and there are a few misrepresentations by the vendors or the information is out of date or inaccurate according to the vendors. One example I found have been the Hartsburg Inn this morning - it is marked for camping, but after getting an email from the vendor, Cath, she indicates no camping only if there is an overflow from the Inn and that there are no outside facilities for camping. SO that little camping icon needs to come off the page. Just sayin! You are so right about not knowing until you get there about anything. My bad - I was wrong and humbly beg for your forgiveness on the SOMEONE - (it must be you) I really should have said SOMEONE ANSWER THE PHONE at that number for the FAIRGROUNDS! (This ain't my first rodeo or KATY ride)Peace out - Mag

Nope....I'm not the SOMEONE who updates this site. That is up to the webmaster. This isn't your first rodeo, so you know to contact him with your list of updates so this is all a mute point.

It just seems rude to make a comment such as yours.....that it would be helpful if SOMEONE would update this site. It makes it sound as you've emailed Ray too many times to count and he won't do it and now you're asking for ANYONE to help you out. Just sayin!

NOPE - you are the identified self rightous/self appointed person that prides himself in jumping on anything that someone may post and judge their posts as rude. Thanks. God bless you.

oh and trek - it's moot (lol) not mute. or maybe it should be mute.

There is just nothing that can be said about that.

(If you all don't see us here for awhile, Maggie, Kansas and I'll be out "crusing this site.")

You two behave or I'll turn this forum around and we'll all go back home.

All right folks, let's not get too worked up. I pulled up the State Fairgrounds info on the web and they did indeed have a new number listed, as Trek indicated. So I have updated this piece of information on the site (660-827-8104). I also applied the camping correction that Maggie mentioned.

Information on trail businesses is constantly changing, and no doubt there's some bad data here at any given time. Many of the merchants are great about updating me with changes, but I also rely heavily on those of you who come across errors while using the site. Please let me know, whether through the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the page or even by posting here on the forum. THANK YOU in advance for passing along this information.

Ray--Did you ever correct information on the Cowboy Trail I wrote you about? Some of that information was years out of date.

I stayed at the Sedalia State Fair campground last September. After I set my tent up, a man came around and collected $10 for camping. The bathrooms are down the hill in the red and white buildings. I would think they were closed in October or November. If the campground isn't open, go to the Best Western nearby.

I have room's for rent at areasonable rate. I am located near the trail near the east trail head. You can find me on this site at Maxine's Rooms for Rent. The ad only list my landline, you can reach me at 660 287 0971 , 660 826 9351 or pete49@earthlink.net. Thanks.

Friend and I will be doing 3 days on the Katy next week. What's the best bet for a hotel in Jefferson City? One within easy riding distance of the trail, or any that offer a shuttle to pick you up?

Click on Jefferson City on the Trail Map above and select the lodging search box. Cliff Manor B&B is the closest and always gets good reviews here. Hotel Deville and Capitol Plaza Hotel (not in the list) are the next closest. All within easy riding distance from the North Jefferson trailhead via the Jefferson Greenway accross the new bridge bike/pedestrian path.

Baymont is also not far from the bridge.

Could some of you please comment on the "How to" of using Amtrak on the Katy. I would like to get on the Katy in Clinton, ride to the nearest Amtrak station, and hitch a ride East to near St. Louis, then ride West for a couple days. Where can I find train schedules? Are the times listed correct? Where do I get tickets? Any such information on how to practially do this in as easy a fashion as possible would be greatly appreciated.

From the home page here, scroll down to "Riding Amtrak along the Katy Trail" Lots of good info there.

Google Amtrak for their website to find schedules, buy tickets, etc.

Try:
www.amtrak.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1249233475096&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobheadername1=Content-disposition&blobheadervalue1=attachment;filename=Amtrak_W21.pdf

Or:
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=AM_Route_C&pagename=am%2FLayout&cid=1241245664594
And click on "Effective November 7, 2011" under Schedule

Sorry about the spam that appeared here over the past few days. Have been out town for the long weekend without internet access. The spammers sometimes manage to get a few through the filters when I'm not around to catch them.

Next time I'm gone for a few days, I'll add a "captcha" verification (those things where you have to type some distorted letters) to make sure only humans are posting. I hate those captcha things, but sometimes you have to do something like that to keep away the junk.

Ray, you do an awesome job managing this website. I hope you enjoy bike riding as much as computering!

Agree with above. This is a truly wonderful and unusual website that makes the Katy experience so much easier. Thanks for the great resource!

Agree with the earlier comments. Thanks for the website and you are doing a great job. Especially since the State of MO website seems to have changed and is not as informative, at least to me.

The headline below is on mobikefed dot org. Information there from the Kansas City Star decribes the progress and new direction of the trail.

Katy Trail Connection to Kansas City now to be built on RR bed rather than alongside

Thanks for the heads-up Trek! Glad to see some action on this extension, it's going to be pretty darn cool when it's done. Seems to be getting closer, but still so far away.

4 of us are taking the Amtrak to Kirkwood from Sedalia & want to bike back to our car at Sedalia. What is the best route to the Katy Trail from Kirkwood? What abut the bridge, traffic???

TW, you can click on ~Katy Trail Maps~ above and then click on ~Kirkwood Train Station to Katy Trail~, there are several options that people have submitted. Being in Metro St.Louis, there is going to be traffic any route you take, but maybe those suggestions will help you choose the route with the least of it.

There is at least one B&B in St. Charles that will shuttle you from Kirkwood, an option that appeals to me more than riding in the traffic. I believe it is the Lococo House. Show Me Shuttle, is also list as being in the St. Louis area. Good luck and enjoy your ride.

thanks

If you consider going all the way into St. Louis on Amtrak instead of stopping at Kirkwood, I found the ride from St. Louis to St. Charles VERY doable. In fact, I really enjoyed it. See my entry under "How to get to Downtown St Louis and Mississippi River from the Katy Trail by bike". Just reverse the directions.

We stayed at Lococo House this last September and the folks there were great. While we didn't use their shuttle services on that trip, we plan to in the future. Check out their website!

Ola y adios

The campground at Sedalia and it was closed when we were there in Oct and Nov this year. Is there anywhere close to the trail to camp were you can have a campfire? We did the New Franklin KATY Roundhouse 2 different times and it was great. Wish there were more along the trail like the Roundhouse. Would rather ride to the campground on my bike, though it is nice to park set-up camp and ride out and back.

At The Rendleman Home at mm 110.8 not only can you have a fire, I supply the wood. You might have to drag some kindling out of the woods tho.

Hey Doug! We are looking at adding you to our stops. We are thinking of starting at Clinton riding to Sedalia, jumping on the train to Herman and riding your way for the first night and then back east to Augusta and back to Bluffton and then back west to Clinton. 2nd week in June? Maybe. Part of fighting cabin fever it planning rides. Another ride would be to put in at New Franklin to Bluffton overnight and back. But that's a work in progress.

Sounds like fun! Just give me a holler when you get decided and I'll have plenty of firewood!

sure will! Thank you!

Just wanted everyone to know that I've reopened. I'm looking for all my bikers to maybe stay with me again. I will do my best to make your stay a pleasant one. Polly

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I'm riding the Katy out and back from StL the last week in Apr and I'm considering billeting options. The B&B's look nice, but I really don't need pampering. Simple bunks with an optional meal or eating close by works. Any ideas?

I was considering the same thing, but came to realize that I am very poor at planning my trips and don't like to be on a schedule on such adventures. My experience on the Katy is that there are lots of B&B's, houses, hotels, etc., but very few of the hostel type accomodations you are looking for. Couple that with my desire for the lack of a schedule, potential weather delays, etc., and I came to realize that a 1 man tent or a hammock with a rainfly and bug protection for sleeping is a better option for me. Shower at a truck stop, or just clean up in a bathroom somewhere. Food/water/drinks is not a problem anywhere on the Katy (unless your picky)so you don't need much more than some trail mix and supplemental food until you get to the next stop--that is unless you want to do the whole bikepacking camp food thing.

The Trip Planner above is a good resource to find places to camp or local hotels, b&b's, etc.

Sean,
It depends on how far "out and back" in week can take you? From StL you have some good stops for a day, but a stretch before jeff city is barren. then to rocheport an booneville are good. sedalia and then it gets a little barren again. But if you go out an back in a week, you probably won't have that much time to sleep if it is 450 miles roundtrip in a week?
BOA

$5 hostel in Tebbetts
caboose in Hartsburg, Rocheport, near Calhoun
rooms in Sedalia
smaller motels in the larger towns
cheaper B&B’s in Peers Store and other places; check their rates on this website
several campgrounds and town parks along the trail

I called today to make reservations for a Birthday dinner and received your voice mail stating you were closed for the season However it did not state when you will reopen. The dates and times of operation are crutial when making plans for a group to come and enjoy one of the great dinners.
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We went here because we had purchased a discount certificate through our local AddSheet. We weren't impressed at all. The waitress was pretty short with us (until she brought the check and then she was all smiles) and the food was ok but over priced for what you got and nothing fabulous. It wasn't bad but we definitely won't be driving 30 minutes to go back. We probably wouldn't drive 5 minutes to go back, just not impressed at all. The memorabilia was pretty cool to look at. That was probably the highlight of the meal.

If you had bicycled there in 98 degree heat you'd be singing a different song sister.

Don't get me wrong, it's ok to give a less than positive review. But those of us that love this place, and want Dotty's to stay open are happy with the food and service. A hamburger, ice water and the cobler of the day topped with ice cream is soooooooo good when you're hot, tired, sweaty and were not sure if you'd get there before she closed at 2 pm.

It hurts my heart to find out anyone has negative things to say about Dotty's. I love this place and like Cathy it is an Oasis on a long bike ride.

I went there once and it wasn't fabulous.

But for probably a hundred other times in 7 or 8 years it was pretty darn good, and friendly, and enjoyable.

The time it wasn't fabulous was when I shared the picnic table out front with a scarecrow and a pumpkin and ate while the Pumpkin Festival parade went by. My bacon,egg,and cheese sandwich lasted longer than the parade, but it was fun, not fabulous, but fun. I sat outside because it was TOO CROWDED INSIDE!

Susan's critique is not my experience.

Darrell... Wished Susan would have critiqued it after a 50 mile bike ride in the summer.

You've got that right Billy! The appreciation level for Dotty's being there would probably be a tad higher wouldn't it. Susan is entitled to her opinion, it's a matter of perspective, as you suggest.

Really, that is what bothers me sometimes. Businesses all along the Katy Trail have had better times than now and a myopic critique from a one time visit to any business, dining establishment, bike shop or whatever need not be broadcast on the internet machine as a consistent negative condition. It is our right to do that but,,,.

"A bike ride to Dotty's for breakfast" sounds pretty good to me.

I've been to Doty's 8-10 times (always on a bike) and have found the food (especially the cobbler) to be quite satisfying. I would agree it is not low-priced but certainly reasonable. Like several others, I am VERY happy to pay the price and support a small local business along the KATY. I hope Doty's is there for a very long time. Never had a problem with the service either. That's my experience.

Thank you all for your good comments. As for Susan, she got 16 dollars worth of food for 6 dollars.she was treated like all our customers with good service. As for prices being too high; we have not raised our prices for almost five years and the price of food has doubled since we opened. We appreciate all of you and hope you continue to eat with us. If you have a problem while you are here all you have to do is tell me, there's hardly a time I am not there. We are trying very hard to stay open, anyone else would have already given up. :)Dotty

P.S. As you all know some people just aren't nice in the first place haha I have never read a negative comment about us before. Jesus loves you anyway susan:)

I believe Doty you got more people interested in your place who have not been there yet from these posts than not. Keep up the good food and service. We will be back.

Haha I think you're right. Thank you!!!

I haven't gotten to make it that far east yet, but I think one of the highlights from what I read would be to pay a visit there. What you do is appreciated, all of you who provide service to those on the trail!

Well thank you!! We hope to see you soon. Hope the weather stays nice, we are looking forward to a good 2012, thanks to all of you!!!!

Im not sure what some folks expect in these super tiny towns were most buissness has long since closed years ago.I have ridden the trail by bike for over 8 years each year 3 or 4 trips.We drive 100 miles to enjoy the Katy and after 50 miles on the bike Im glad to find place like Dottys or the small bars to eat a good burger and cold beer,I never thought much about the price,if that was an issue go to freakin wal-mart and satifaction at a everyday low price!Hang in there Dotty and all the other local joints,TEAM FOHTY will be back many times to spend our dollars with you. mg

Thanks so much!! We appreciate all of you guys out there,looking forward to warm weather and a good 2012 Such nice comments mean so much to us:)

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I am looking for a picture of the Katy Depot that was in Pottsboro, Texas. The Depot has Bells, Texas on the outside wall. My grandfather was the Depot Agent there from 1919-1962. Thanks for your help.

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