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Hartsburg
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Tommy from Lawrence, KS on 02/22/2005 03:30 PM
The listed parks in Hartsburg had signs unfriendly to campers. We camped anyway. The Hitchin' Post is fairly expensive for bar food, and one customer was very vocal about his disdain for "g*dd*mn college graduates".

 
Jim from Hartsburg on 04/22/2005 11:36 PM
Stay in Kansas.

 
savage24 from KC, MO on 04/23/2005 06:13 AM
Heh, heh. The border war continues.......

 
Anonymous from Jefferson City on 06/18/2005 02:52 AM
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the ramblings of some Hartsburg Hick in a bar .... there are some people with some kind of superior attitude there, but Hartsburg is used to seeing lots of college students, hippies, and everyone else there... ignore them, enjoy yourselves, and have fun.

 
Anonymous on 07/04/2005 07:16 AM
Hartsburg is a great little town and So far I haven't seen any"Hicxs" If you go to a small town you will not see all the crime and filth you see in the cities, so give me a "hick" anytime.

 
mike rodemeyer from hartsburg, mo on 09/14/2005 05:11 PM
His complaint was probably because you were from Kansas. Probably the fool was not from Hartsburg but a visitor as the town actually tries to draw visitors. The Mayor, Nancy Grant, is working hard to make our town a place to stop and visit a while. Call ahead and giv eus another chance.

 
Jeff from Hartsburg on 10/03/2005 12:25 PM
Signs unfreindly to campers? What are you talking about?

 
The Bar Hick from Hartsburg on 10/07/2005 01:12 AM
Tommy, I apologize to ya son for all my rantin'. I had a little to much to drink and when I realized that my secret camcordin' of yer college sweatshirt wasn't that rare red-headed woodpecker, I got a little outta control. Woman and I been lookin for that durn bird fer months. Again, I am sorry. If you all would like yur sweatshirt back, I left it hangin' on the hitchin post for ya.

 
savage24 from KC,MO on 10/07/2005 10:29 PM
I don't care who you are or where your from - THAT'S FUNNY!!!

 
Ann from Wichita, KS on 10/17/2005 09:06 PM
Went to the Hitching Post and found the locals to be friendly. In fact, over 20% of Hartsburg's residents stopped by in the hour we were there. Great little stop--even had pumpkin ale beer.

 
MA WHE from FLOR. MO on 01/16/2006 03:10 PM
Hartsburg a great town. went to the local bar, had a great time the english guy at the bike shop was very helpful with my problem i`ll be back thank you

 
John from West Plains on 01/19/2006 03:31 PM
Great little bar. We stayed at the Globe Hotel... it was a great place to stay the night. We are going back in March to do it again. We'll say hi to the bar hick for ya.


Historic Treloar Mercantile and Bank, Treloar Missouri
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Anne Deschenes from Concord Hill on 01/19/2006 02:50 PM
Hi, I am the listing real estate agent of this wonderful historic building along the Katy Trail in Treloar Mo. It is currently in a "re-hab" state, which means, anything is possible! We would love to find a buyer who could restore the splendor of this old brick gem. I know many of you who frequent the Katy Trail know of this building and I wanted to get the word out that it is for sale and would make a wonderful business of any kind or simply a beautiful residence. Please call me for any questions or comments. Thanks, Anne



Anne Deschenes

Heritage Realty

Washington Missouri

636-358-3066 my cell

636-239-6941 office

kidtoys@fidnet.com my email



**I will be out of town 1/23 to 1/28/06, in case you try and cannot get me!**


Ashley's Rose Resturant in Augusta
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sarah from little rock on 04/02/2005 09:58 PM
We had dinner at this resturant Wednesday night. It was terrible. The food was gross and overpriced and the service was terrible. Save your money.



However, Jeanette at The Globe Hotel in Hartsburg was amazing!! If you're passing through or planning a trip, you need to spend a night in Hartsburg. The Hitching Post has good food and company, the bike shop is friendly, and Jeanette makes these amazing muffins. It was the best experience of our whole trip.



The people in Clinton were really rude the night we spent there. They yelled at us for riding on the shoulder and stared at us while we ate dinner (we weren't even in lycra).



Herman was a great town, though. Everyone was amazingly friendly and nice. The Stonehill Winery Resturant was the best meal that we had. It was expensive, but well worth the $$$. If you plan on treating yourself, this is the place to do it. Great food and great service.

 
savage24 from KC MO on 04/03/2005 07:20 AM
Sorry to hear about your bad experience with Ashley's Rose Restuarant. Where did you stay between Hartsburg and Clinton? How was it?

 
Sarah from Little Rock on 04/03/2005 08:49 PM
We stayed at the Safari Motel in Clinton, the Best Western in Sedalia, and the Comfort Inn in Booneville, which has almost direct access from the trail and a shuttle to the casino. Then we stayed at the Globe Hotel in Hartsburg, which was amazing and the Lindenhof in Augusta. The Lindenhof has nice rooms, a hot tub, jacuzzi's in the rooms, walking access to the winery and brewery, and a tasty stuffed french toast for breakfast. All in all, it was a great vacation. We're considering the organized ride in June, as well.

 
dad_5ks from Northwest, Arkansas on 04/12/2005 11:14 PM
In September 2003, I rode the Katy Trail. Spent the night at Ashley's Rose (bed and breakfast) in Augusta. Had a nice French Dip sandwich for dinner, and a great breakfast. They even fixed my breakfast a bit early, as I wanted to get an early start.

Only odd thing about this bed and breakfast, no one lived at the facility. The owners left at 7:00pm, gave me a key to the front door, told me to lock myself in at night.

Only bad thing about Augusta, I had to ride up a long, steep hill to get there.

 
John from West Plains on 01/19/2006 02:49 PM
Dont get me started on Jeanette's muffins. We really enjoyed staying there. That whole town is great. Give Jeanette a hug on the way out!


St Charles Bike Rental
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gary from denver on 01/17/2006 04:36 PM
Touring Cyclist has closed - Chamber said Momentom Cycles is new but didn't have a phone # - can anyone help?

 
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 01/18/2006 11:06 AM


Most always Google can help......



http://www.momentumcycles.com/main.asp



Shuttle back
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Louise from Michigan on 01/15/2006 10:19 AM
My husband and I just completed a 200 mile trip in France, the Loire Valley area and love it. We are now looking for a place closer to home. We found the Katy trail on the web. My question is: Let's say we would arrive in St. Louis and head out to do the Whole Katy trail in about a week, just one way. How do we get back to our car? I know we could bike back there but we only wanted to go one way. Is there a shuttle service that could take us back to our car? I see that some B&B's have suttle service, is that what it means? They will take you back to your car. We will be riding in middle Sept. or Early Oct. Any comments or suggestions would be great.

Louise, Michigan

 
savage24 from KC,MO on 01/15/2006 11:34 AM
Louise, You can find contact information for shuttle services in the towns and services section under the map at the top of the page. I have not stayed at any of the B&B's, but based on what others have posted here, I think most of the B&B shuttles are for their immediate area; for instance if you are staying in a B&B in McKittrick, they will shuttle you to Hermann and back if you do not wish to ride across the the state highway bridge that is quite narrow with no shoulder. Amtrak is another option that has been discussed at length in the comment forum. I know you wrote Sept. or early Oct., but if June would work for you, then the MO State Parks Katy Trail ride is another option: http://www.mostateparks.com/katytrail/2006ride.htm

 
Rhona Lococo from St. Charles on 01/16/2006 08:42 AM
Louise ---- I am a B&B ownner and we offer shuttle service, for the Katy Trail ------ there are a number of ways you can do it ----- we can take you to the other end of trail Clinton and then you can ride back to St.Charles ----we will keep your car in our parking lot -----or you can ride to Clinton and we will pick you up there and bring you back home --------or we can take you to train station in Kirkwood and you can ride the train with your bike (I think it only goes to Sedila)then ride your bike back to St. Charles ------ there are many ways to do it ----contact us for info -----www.lococohouse.com -----Rhonaloc@charter.net


Summer Ride
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Kwill from Indiana on 01/06/2006 12:37 PM
Three of us are planning a quick attack on the Katy Trail in early June. We are all acomplished cyclists, but have never "toured" before. We are thinking of doing the entire route from St. Charles to Clinton in 3 days, camping each night. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

 
savage24 from KC,MO on 01/06/2006 10:53 PM
Are you carrying everything on the bikes or will you have a support vehicle hauling your camping gear? I would not want to ride the entire trail self contained in three days. Not that it can't be done; it just doesn't sound like fun to me.

 
dale nimmo from springfield missouri on 01/07/2006 11:36 AM
I rode the entire trail last summer, in 6 days

it's about 504 miles total. I took very few off trail excursions.



that's about 88 miles a day for me



I'm thinking 3 days might be just a bit tooooo ambitious?



thanks!! btw... i loved the trail and the ride... my only regret was that I did it solo.

 
dale nimmo from springfield missouri on 01/07/2006 11:37 AM
i fogot to add....

i did the entire trail round trip



that might make a BIG BIG difference



duh...sorry about that

 
MLH from Overland Park on 01/09/2006 05:58 PM
Great plan! One suggestion that I would have is to consider going west to east instead of that as you have suggested. The prevailing winds tend to be from the west and that will make a huge difference on such an ambitous task. Also, the trail is very slightly net downhill west to east. And yes, a support vehicle is highly recommended. I am planning a 2-day self-torture trip from Clinton to St. Charles also in early June but will carry as little weight as possible by using a support vehicle. Hopefully I will see you all on the trail.

 
MLH from Overland Park on 01/09/2006 06:10 PM
One more thing: here is a link to a post in this forum by K French who pulled the 3 day megatour off, WITH FULL GEAR. If the link doesn't work for some reason, go back a couple of pages on this forum.



www.bikekatytrail.com/talk.aspx?thid=365



Riding to Family Arena
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Meg from St. Louis on 01/05/2006 09:44 PM
Has anyone ridden their bike to the family arena? I am going to the US figure skating championships and I know I've passed the arena the one time I rode that part of the trail, but I don't recall how far it is from the nearest parking lot. Does anyone know what the nearest lot would be and if there are bike racks there?

 
Ray (webmaster) on 01/06/2006 11:00 AM
The 364 / Page Avenue Memorial Bridge is just under a mile from the Family Arena. There is a parking lot there, with easy trail access. Just head north on the trail from there, and you'll see the area within a few minutes. Follow this link for more details on the Page Bridge and how to get there.



I do not know whether the arena has bike racks.


Cross Country Trip
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Jon from San Diego on 12/30/2005 03:45 PM
On April 15th 2006, two of us are leaving San Diego on bicycles, heading for Rhode Island on no particular route other than always trying to head north or east. We figure (based on no experience) that it should take us about two months for the whole crossing. We should be at the west end of the Katy trail sometime late May.



I'd appreciate any advice on riding the Katy Trail from west to east. Keep in mind we have not attempted anything even close to the magnatidute of this coast to coast venture before.



Any tips will be appreicated - Thanks - Jon

 
frank from festus,mo on 12/30/2005 08:24 PM
just enjoy the trip. i admire ya'll for taking on this feat.

 
savage24 from KC,MO on 12/31/2005 05:47 AM
Well Jon, With no experience, no route, and seemingly no plan I figure if you are tough and able to 'think on your feet' well enough to make it as far as Missouri, you will not need any advice from me!

Good luck and please keep us posted on your progress. Oh yeah...



Watch out for tornados in Oklahoma and Kansas in April/May.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 01/02/2006 06:49 AM
What an adventure - good luck! When you say "no experience", do you mean no bike touring experience, or just no cross-country experience? I'd recommend reading as much as you can on the Bicycle Touring 101 website, to help fill in the gaps from any lack of experience you may have. Also check out Adventure Cycling, and consider getting some of their cross-country route maps. Even if you prefer to go without a planned route, it might be nice to have an Adventure Cycling route to fall back on for parts of your trip - they research these routes pretty extensively to find the roads that are best for bike travel.
If you're keeping a journal or blog of your trip, let me know so I can link to it or publish it on this website.

 
El Toro on 01/02/2006 01:55 PM
Good luck with the trip. Sounds great. The KATY will be a good way to get across Missouri in my opinion.



How wide a tire will you be running on your bike? My experience says you want to probably look at something around 32cm, which is a bit wider than I would want to run on the roads, but it certainly can be done.



I would think about slowing down a bit on the KATY in terms of daily mileage and enjoying a couple of the stops and nice B&Bs along the way...kind of a middle of the country recovery.



Just my 2 cents. Have a great time. ENJOY and BEST WISHES.










 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 01/04/2006 10:35 AM
....and whatever you do stop for one night for sure at the KATY Roundhouse Campground in New Franklin, MO. Right on the trail, hot showers, very, very kind staff, very clean campground, and push comes to shove the local pizza place delivers to camp sites!!! Enjoy the Voyage...(I'm so jealous) Mark of the Dalton Boys

 
Anonymous from Columbia on 01/05/2006 07:32 PM
I would recommend the Katy Trail Guidebook by Brett Dufur. I ordered it online from pebblepublishing.com. It covers the entire trail and has lists of bed and breakfasts, diners, etc. all along it. It's very useful, especially if you're inexperienced. Good luck! I hope you enjoy Missouri! :)


Hiking/Walking
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Mike from Lawrence on 01/04/2006 08:48 AM
Hiking the trail would be a great adventure. How is the camping along the trail? Do you have to B&B it the whole way?

 
Ray (webmaster) on 01/05/2006 05:40 AM
There are definitely camping options along the Katy Trail, although they might not all be within one day's hike from each other. Here's a list of campgrounds along the trail. If you follow that link and go to the bottom of the page, you can use the "Lodging" checkbox to also get a list of B&Bs, hotels, & motels.



I've heard that other campsites will be opening in 2006, but no details yet on where.

 
gc from Columbia, Mo on 01/05/2006 01:19 PM
Ray,

Good to hear about the potential new campgrounds. I am planning my walk for around September. Thanks in advance for any info you pass on. This is the best site for planning a Katy excursion.


history of KT
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spiral on 01/01/2006 03:44 PM
I just rode part of the KT for the first time, and I wondered if anyone knew any history about the old telephone/electric poles that survive in places along the western edge of the trail. I was a bit fascinated with them.

 
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 01/02/2006 12:06 PM
Quite typical in Missouri and probably other states as well, with new technology to protect human life and the integrity of live lines, as new transmission and distribution lines were added.....the old defunct poles were simply abandoned. They are of little value other than perhaps an insulator that has missed being shot and broken by an irresponsible gun owner. Those are rare and not worth much other than knowing that you have one. They do serve to remind of days gone by.....simpler times.

 
gc from Columbia, Mo on 01/03/2006 12:11 AM
My Dad was a pole lineman for the Wabash in the late '40s and '50s. He tells me that when they replaced poles from time to time then, that the poles often were dated back to the 1880s. So yes, those poles can get pretty old. There a quite a few all along the trail, I am sure. I know there are some in Mid-Mo.


Machens
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james from kcmo on 12/29/2005 05:08 PM
You can't tell me you do'nt have Yahoo maps,or mapquest?

highway 94 goes past Machens and not too busy for bikes-have spent all nite at machens trains coming from galesburg,ill(bnsf)or from st luois. floods of 1993 made deep holes on old m-kt-rr

but old reminants of right-of way interesting-near highway 94.



Mile Markers
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Kris from Indiana on 12/19/2005 10:30 AM
Why do the mile markers start at 39 miles in St Charles. Is St Charles where the trailhead is, or is there another trail head?



By the way, great site.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 12/19/2005 10:39 AM
The mile markers follow the numbering system that the railroad used, back when this route was an MKT rail line. So the actual numbering on the rail line started some 39 miles east of St Charles. Using the railroad mile numbers results in a slight mileage discrepancy, in places where the trail briefly leaves the old railroad route (in Rhineland and Sedalia).



Actually there are trailheads in almost every town in the map at the top of this page, plus a few others. St Charles has three trailheads (Greens Bottom, Page/364, and the main one in downtown St Charles). Click any town name in the map above, and you'll see the town's trailhead (if any) listed on the resulting page.



Glad you like the website!


The Bridge at Boonville
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MTTwilly from Kansas City on 12/14/2005 05:13 PM
Currently "general agrrement: says Rocheport east is the most attractive segment. There is quite a lot of effort being put into restoring the bridge and returning it to its lowered position to accomodate bikers.



What effect would restoring the bridge have on bike tourism in Boonville?


What does "Yield to horses" mean?
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Karl from Kansas City on 12/12/2005 11:53 AM
I have seen much discussion on having to yield to horses on some parts of the trail. What exactly does yield mean, from both the cyclists and horseowners point of view? Stop bike and get off? Exit the trail completely? Go slow?

 
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 12/13/2005 01:22 PM
By definition.....and I would think it would apply here....to yield means to give the right of way to. Horses have the right of passage...bikes do not. If that requires you stop...get off....exit the trail....go slow....then do so in order that the horses have been given the right to be on their merry way. I've been on psycho horses that would need the whole trail to pass because they just couldn't get past the idea that a bike had an orange flag on it. Other horses could pass thousands of flags and never flinch. Read the situation and allow ample room for the horse(s) to pass....yield.

 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 12/13/2005 04:09 PM
At the State Natural Area I mentioned earlier in a like thread I didn't elaborate...my apologies. In Texas yielding means stopping, if one needs to get off of the trail then one does, but completely stopping is the base line. Yup, 99 out of a hundred horses may not flinch, its that 100th that's a little twitchy that can cause an issue. The trails in Banderas State Natural Area are plenty wide for one to just stop and leave plenty enough room for the horse to pass by. Enjoy the voyage.......Mark of the Dalton Boys

 
Karl from Kansas City on 12/14/2005 11:27 AM
Not trying to be a stickler, but how far away should the biker stop?

 
Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 12/14/2005 03:34 PM
When you see the horse go up on it's hind legs....front feet pawing in the air......you've gone too far.

 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 12/14/2005 03:52 PM
As Elmer Fudd would say "...stay vehwey, vehwey still." Enjoy the voyage....Mark of the Dalton Boys


Jug Town Food & Feed (Calhoun)
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David Moore on 12/10/2005 06:48 PM
Sir I am planing a ride next summer and I am looking at the Katy trail. I will be riding my horse and was thinking what's your opinion was with a horse ride on the Katy Trail. Thank You Dave Moore


Clifton City paintings along the Katy Trail
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Mitchell Harlan from Westminster, Colorado on 12/07/2005 04:38 PM
My father grew up in Clifton City and my grandmother lived in Clifton her whole life. I would be very interested if someone has painted or taken pictures of the Katy Trail in the Clifton City area. Thank you for your time and consideration.



Jefferson City - Lodging Recommendations
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Jim from Lenexa, KS on 10/04/2005 10:12 PM
Our family biked the Katy Trail last weekend and my 13-yr-old son and I would like to return the weekend of the 15th. Rocheport to Jeff City on Saturday and back on Sunday.



I'm assuming I'm too late for B&B's. Are there any hotels - chain or otherwise - someone would recommend with either easy access to the Katy Trail or a shuttle that we could probably reserve at this late date?



Thanks.


 
Troy Ratliff from Jonesboro, AR on 10/05/2005 08:48 AM
The Ramada Inn, Hotel Deville, and John Q. Hammons Hotel in Jeff City, all at one time had shuttles that would pick you up and take you back to the KATY.

 
Lindsey from Whitney Texas on 12/05/2005 11:58 AM
This is the most boring website I have ever been to in my whole entire life! OMG who cares about "Jefferson City-Lodging Recommendations" show an actual video of thhe place or something then maybe more than 3 people would visit it!

 
MLH from Overland Park on 12/05/2005 07:23 PM
Jim, it's great to see that you have a 13-year-old that is interested and enjoys the trail. After all, it involves fitness, nostalgia, nature and an appreciation of preservation for future generations. Perhaps when Lindsey (above) is old enough to ride a bike, she will appreciate these things also. It's fun to see how young the little tikes start with computers now days isn't it. Hey Lindsey, I think...like... Sponge Bob is...like...on now. OMG you'd better go and watch. I hear it is really amazing.



P.S. OK Ray, I'll stop now

 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 12/07/2005 07:21 AM
Webmaster, I will profer my apologies up front.....but when one is from Whitney, TX. there is precious little else to do but critique sites.....Mark Dalton Austin, Texas PS - The Web site is just fine IMHO, informative and most people don't use the full set up of the site, but that's OK too, as cyclists,& conservationists (that's a conservative environmentalist), we should all be here to help.


fishing , lakes, etc.
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cca from corinth,ms on 12/01/2005 11:28 AM
My son is in Chesterfield for four years and we are planning some trips to Missouri with long weekend excursions from the St. Louis area. I just discovered the Katy Trail and we will definitely come. Where can we bike, fish and have lodging for a long weekend? Boat rental????????

 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 12/07/2005 07:11 AM
If memory serves Corinth has a very nice skydiving drop zone...a rather significant portion of the trail is alongside of the Missouri River, boat rental, Coopers Landing maybe (which is right on the trail). Also work through the home page on this site and clicking on the towns that the trail goes through have distances to other Missosuri DNR parks that are usually within 5 miles. Also a search on the Missouri Department of Natural Resources will give you a complete listing of parks. Make sure you get a fishing license. Really challenging trout fishing is at Roaring River State Park in the extreme southwest corner of the state and is way away from the KATY, but it is where there is good fishing....enjoy the voyage...Mark of The Dalton Boys


Eminate Domain
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PDPl from North St. Louis County on 11/28/2005 03:25 PM
I really like the idea of the Katy Trail however I live on the Missouri River across from Pelican Island and I have been told that the State can take 250 feet of my property to build a continuance of the trail. Is that possible? It seems to me that it would be nice to take the extention over to Pelican Island and then to Suoix Passage Park and continue from there. I already have 150 feet of my property in the River as errosion has taken it over the years. Is this something I need to be concerned with? Thank you for your reply.

 
The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 12/01/2005 07:04 AM
Unfortunately the short answer is yes, the state can claim right of eminent domain. The question of which route would be better aside, it is at the very least fortunate that you like the idea of the KATY, and that unlike one poor soul in Connecticut, that state claimed eminent domain to build a shopping mall. The basic premise of eminent domain supposedly manifests to the benefit of the "greater good" a.k.a. hospitals, city parks etc. In the case in the Northeast the state's case managed to mangle the greater good issue in favor of the shopping mall which I personaly don't see. Of course then there is the issue of right of eminent domain in its own right...the state or other government entity taking land from a landowner....sticky issue that. In closing, they can do it, you can fight it, and I'm happy for you that it will be the KATY and not a shopping mall. Regards.......Mark of the Dalton Boys

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