Katy Trail Forum

Rude. Tried to make reservations two weeks in advance, they said they were booked up and that there were no other dining opportunities in town. Basically they said we were screwed. Don't know if the food was any good. Never got to try it.

Rude. Tried to make reservations two weeks in advance, they said they were booked up and that there were no other dining opportunities in town. Basically they said we were screwed. Don't know if the food was any good. Never got to try it.

Yep, had the same experience a couple years ago. Several years before, I'd tried it, and it was pretty good, but not good enough to warrant the attitude they serve for free. Les Bourgeois has a very nice menu though, and the general-store place near Abigail's had great munchies, as well.

Yep, had the same experience a couple years ago. Several years before, I'd tried it, and it was pretty good, but not good enough to warrant the attitude they serve for free. Les Bourgeois has a very nice menu though, and the general-store place near Abigail's had great munchies, as well.

I grew up eating 5-cent Griff's burgers in Riverside Mo. I am so happy to relive my younger days through Griff"S/..... It is better now than ever. This is the last Griff's in Missouri...I Love Griff's.

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I grew up eating 5-cent Griff's burgers in Riverside Mo. I am so happy to relive my younger days through Griff"S/..... It is better now than ever. This is the last Griff's in Missouri...I Love Griff's.

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I have been bitten by the Katy Trail bug, and am trying to plan a thru-ride. I bought the Katy Trail Guide book, and have been reading about each stop as I attempt to map out the trip.



My question to those who are experienced KT riders: when is a reasonable time to expect to be able to ride it? I have seen comments which note that facilities are closed for the season. When exactly does the season start and end? Any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated.

David, I would suggest calling the phone numbers for any place you are interested in checking out.

Thanks Randy.



I am actually looking for two things specifically:

1. Realistically, when can one expect to ride the trail? In other words, when is is safe to plan a trip without snow? Should I wait until April, for example?

2. When do the facilities on the trail itself open? When are the water fountains turned back on?



Again, thanks for your reply.



I am really getting excited at the prospect of riding the whole trail this year.

In regards to water or restrooms, the Katy Trail is not any different than any other Missouri Park, the water is “scheduled” to be on April 1, off at Nov. 1. Key word here is “scheduled”.



I have ridden a zillion miles on the Katy and have never drank DNR’s water as I would rather buy bottled water, but that is just my personal preference. There are a lot of businesses that are not seasonal on the trail as you would go bust trying to make a living off of Katy Trail bikers or hikers.



The trail also tends to be soft early spring and fall(and winter if the groud is not frozen), which makes riding more difficult. It is very possible to do the whole trail any time of year, it is just a matter of what you can stand as far the weather and other elements.

Take a few weekends as soon as it gets warm enough for you and just ride from one trailhead near you to the next and back. You'll get a good idea of the condition of the trail.

Dates have been set for the week-long Katy Trail Pedal & Paddle Bike Tours that I am leading this year. Spring Trip: May 10 - 16th. Fall Trip: Sept 20 - 26th. There is still room available on both tours. We will be spending three of our nights at the Katy Trail Bed & Bikefest in Rocheport (www.katytrailbb.com), to minimize the need to pack/unpack and move luggage every day. We will be shuttled to our starting point several mornings in our 15-passenger van with bike racks. If you'd like to read more about the canoe/kayak float that is offered as an option on the rest day in Rocheport, please visit www.mighty-mo.com.

Dates have been set for the week-long Katy Trail Pedal & Paddle Bike Tours that I am leading this year. Spring Trip: May 10 - 16th. Fall Trip: Sept 20 - 26th. There is still room available on both tours. We will be spending three of our nights at the Katy Trail Bed & Bikefest in Rocheport (www.katytrailbb.com), to minimize the need to pack/unpack and move luggage every day. We will be shuttled to our starting point several mornings in our 15-passenger van with bike racks. If you'd like to read more about the canoe/kayak float that is offered as an option on the rest day in Rocheport, please visit www.mighty-mo.com.

Dates have been set for the Katy Trail Pedal & Paddle Bike Tours. Spring Trip: May 10 - 16th. Fall Trip: Sept 20 - 26th. There is still room available on both tours. It would be easiest to fly in to KC (MCI is the airport code), and either do that roundtrip, or fly out of St. Louis (STL). I will email you on how to get from the airport to our starting and departure points. We will be spending three of our nights at the Katy Trail Bed & Bikefest in Rocheport (www.katytrailbb.com), to minimize the need to pack/unpack and move luggage every day. We will be shuttled to our starting point several mornings in our 15-passenger van with bike racks. If you'd like to read more about the canoe/kayak float that is offered as an option on the rest day in Rocheport, please visit www.mighty-mo.com.

It won't be long now, time to dust off the bikes and start planning that upcoming Katy Trail bike ride. St. Charles is a great place to begin or end a bike ride.The trail is only one block from Main St.There you can find bikes, bike supplies and repair service(Momentum Cycle) there are restaurants with luscious burgers (R.T Weiler)or restaurants with fresh crispy salads and vegetables (MAGPIE)that would be a refreshing change after many burgers and bratwurst on the trail. There are museums (Louis & Clark Boathouse) also art galleries(Geo Denningers) and (The Art Foundry) You can start your ride here with a day or two of leisure beforehand, there are places to leave your vehicle. There is a shuttle service(Lococo House ll) and there are a number of cozy Bed & Breakfast(Lococo House ll) so get out your Katy Trail Guild Book and get on your computer and make plans and reservations. See you in 2009.

Make the LEWIS and Clark Boathouse.

Sorry... I work as an editor.

You were too kind G(rammar C(op). Ms. Lococo and Lewis should both be appreciative. : )

Oh, I am most definitely NOT a grammar cop. I think the history geek in me just breaks out now and then.

History Geek or Grammar Cop thats OK with me, everyone has a purpose, I am best in the kitchen baking and cooking for my guests at Lococo House ll, thanks for reading The Katy Trail Site

For those of you in the St Louis Area:



Midwest Bicycle Expo and Swap Meet

Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.





http://stlbikefed.org/ExpoSwapMeet/tabid/148/Default.aspx



Hosted by the St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation

Gateway Center, One Gateway Drive

Collinsville, IL 62234 (just 12 minutes from the Arch)

Admission $8 at the door Pick up a $2-off coupon at a participating business or bike shop around town

Free to current members of the St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation Join just inside the door!

Free to kids 15 and under

I heard about this recently. Can you buy bikes there, or is it mostly a swap meet? (I kinda doubt anyone's going to want to swap for the hoopty mountain bike I've been riding for the past 15 years.)

There will be plenty of dealers and merchants there selling all kinds of stuff. Here's how it was described on CraigsList:



Like a Kid in a Candy Store! - That's how you will feel, as you walk down the aisles past tables filled with goodies. What's your fancy? New shorts? New shoes? New commuter? How about that Italian sweetness you have always dreamed of owning since secretly aspiring to be a Cutter?



Seriously, there will be bike shops and individual vendors selling everything from tires to clothing to bicycles. And if you are looking for that custom or hard-to-find part, you are likely to find it among the many vendors who specialize in that type of inventory.



NEW THIS YEAR: A silent auction featuring items and gift certificates from some of our finest local businesses. Don’t miss your chance to bid and win. Proceeds go to creating a better bicycling environment in our region!

My Daddy's grandfather, sirnamed "Gum" was a conductor on the MKT out of the South Texas-Houston area. This would have been around the 1920's-1930's. My dad was born in 1922 and he remembers his grandfather actually working for the railroad, and remembers being quite impressed with his "conductor's watch." My dad recalls "riding the train" from Houston to Galveston. This would have been the MKT. Evidently his grandfather could get them passes. Was there a branch line that ran down to or toward Corpus Christi at that time? Anybody know?

trikt@sbcglobal.net

Wikipedia has some good MKT info. It does not mention Corpus Christi though.

This link will get you to the 1983 Katy Railroad Map.



http://www.katyrailroad.org/map.htm



The 1904 Railroad Map is also available link at the bottom of the page above. It shows the link to Hannibal, MO for instance, that was abandoned long before the 1983 map came out.



Looking at the maps, in 1904 and 1983 a Katy Link was active to San Antonio, TX, which if you wanted to go to Corpus Cristi, would have been a logical point to get on another line to go to Corpus Cristi. What that line is or was, I do not know.

In answer to your question. I pulled out the book we sell in the store called the Katy

Railroad and the Last Frontier and looked at the map of the Katy Lines in 1923 we also sell

and there is no direct "Katy" line that ran to Corpus Christi from Galveston. I too am

assuming you would transfer to another railroad line to make that journey, but looking at

the map and adjoining railroads I think that connection would have come out of Houston

at that time and not Galveston as the map shows no other railroads leaving Galveston.

We have some historic information on the Katy posted on our website

www.sedaliakatydepot.com.

The most likely connection from the Katy to Corpus Christi would be

either Union Pacific from San Antonio or UP, BNSF (ATSF in earlier

days), or Kansas City Southern from Houston. Of course these lines

had different names in the past, just as ATSF and BN merged to form

BNSF.

We stayed there is was great, it is a wonderderful house, very clean, they have decks to sit out on, pool, hot tub outside, and very nice wineries close. You can get there it is on the trail. We have been there 3 times and loved it every time. It is a great place to stay.

We booked all the rooms. You will have fun when you go there. Also food was great.

We stayed there is was great, it is a wonderderful house, very clean, they have decks to sit out on, pool, hot tub outside, and very nice wineries close. You can get there it is on the trail. We have been there 3 times and loved it every time. It is a great place to stay.

We booked all the rooms. You will have fun when you go there. Also food was great.

I will be posting dates next week for the spring and fall Katy Trail Pedal and Paddle Tours. Thank you for your interest and input. ~Brett

Hi all! The Boxcar is back! Our former guests will remember the cozy, inviting and surprisingly spacious Boxcar converted into a place to stay right on the Katy Trail in Rocheport. It has three beds, a kitchenette, full restroom and plenty of space to stretch out and enjoy! Rodney, the previous innkeeper, has moved back to his family farm in Kansas, allowing us the chance to once again offer the Boxcar as a place for friends and family to enjoy Rocheport and the Katy Trail. You can learn more at www.katytrailbb.com.

Hi all! The Boxcar is back! Our former guests will remember the cozy, inviting and surprisingly spacious Boxcar converted into a place to stay right on the Katy Trail in Rocheport. It has three beds, a kitchenette, full restroom and plenty of space to stretch out and enjoy! Rodney, the previous innkeeper, has moved back to his family farm in Kansas, allowing us the chance to once again offer the Boxcar as a place for friends and family to enjoy Rocheport and the Katy Trail. You can learn more at www.katytrailbb.com.

This is a great little B&B. The most affordable B&B in Rocheport and perfect for a one-night stay. Rocheport is one of my favorite towns on the trail. I'd highly recommend making Rocheport and overnight stop on your trip!

This is a great little B&B. The most affordable B&B in Rocheport and perfect for a one-night stay. Rocheport is one of my favorite towns on the trail. I'd highly recommend making Rocheport and overnight stop on your trip!

BikeKaty, Glad to hear you had a wonderful time at our B&B! We've been down at the B&B all day gardening and adding bright red and yellow mums, and getting the hot tub all dialed in for some crisp fall nights. Keep us in mind for a fall getaway! Abigail's Restaurant, a real favorite, is only about three blocks away. (Save room for dessert!) Then saunter over next store to check out the great live music at the General Store (no cover charge). End the night back at the Katy Trail B&B in the hot tub watching the Big Dipper while you enjoy a glass of Norton wine from the local Les Bourgeois Winery.... Life is good!

BikeKaty, Glad to hear you had a wonderful time at our B&B! We've been down at the B&B all day gardening and adding bright red and yellow mums, and getting the hot tub all dialed in for some crisp fall nights. Keep us in mind for a fall getaway! Abigail's Restaurant, a real favorite, is only about three blocks away. (Save room for dessert!) Then saunter over next store to check out the great live music at the General Store (no cover charge). End the night back at the Katy Trail B&B in the hot tub watching the Big Dipper while you enjoy a glass of Norton wine from the local Les Bourgeois Winery.... Life is good!

Thanks for your nice comments! The Katy Trail Bed & Breakfast will reopen in March for the season. Please keep us in mind as you make your spring Katy Trail adventure plans!

Thanks for your nice comments! The Katy Trail Bed & Breakfast will reopen in March for the season. Please keep us in mind as you make your spring Katy Trail adventure plans!

the MS Life Ride starts in Jefferson City at 9:30am May 6, 2009,

not Augusta - james hodshon

This isn't about bike riding, but...

We are planning a weekend trip out to the McBaine area, Eagle Bluffs conservation area this winter to hopefully get some photos of eagles in the wild. Wondering if anyone has had any luck spotting eagles in the area, knows of the best place to see them, etc.

This isn't about the McBaine area, but....we were in Hermann a couple of days last week and asked while checking into the B&B if anyone had been seeing eagles along the river. Unfortunately, no one had....or they didn't know what to look for. While standing on the deck, we saw three immatures working the river on Tuesday morning. I guess some folks don't recognize them unless they are mature.



Squaw Creek Wildlife Refuge north of you is usually a good eagle viewing area. We saw 15 to 20 on Sunday, just south of there along the river bluffs near White Cloud, KS.

A group of friends and I rode our bikes there while staying in

Hermann. The stop at Riverfront was the highlight. It was the best

food and coldest beer we had our entire trip. Wish we would have had

the time, and less of a commute, to drink more.

A group of friends and I rode our bikes there while staying in

Hermann. The stop at Riverfront was the highlight. It was the best

food and coldest beer we had our entire trip. Wish we would have had

the time, and less of a commute, to drink more.

Does anyone have pictures of the campground? Particularly the cabins? We're thinking of stopping here on our trip next summer.

Does anyone have pictures of the campground? Particularly the cabins? We're thinking of stopping here on our trip next summer.

Stayed in the bunkhouse summer 2007 while backpacking from Herman to Coopers Landing. It provided just the basics bed and air and a very old TV, no bathroom but there are facilities that have bathroom. Was a nice place to stay and get out of the rain

Stayed in the bunkhouse summer 2007 while backpacking from Herman to Coopers Landing. It provided just the basics bed and air and a very old TV, no bathroom but there are facilities that have bathroom. Was a nice place to stay and get out of the rain

I stayed at the campground and the cabin on an out and back in June 08.Cabin is just as described above. Just a comfortable bed t.v. and air. (T.V. might not work now.) It is nowhere near the size of a motel room, but if you want a comfortable bed, air, and no mosquitos, this is the place. If you camp and remember only one thing to bring, make it insect repellant.

I stayed at the campground and the cabin on an out and back in June 08.Cabin is just as described above. Just a comfortable bed t.v. and air. (T.V. might not work now.) It is nowhere near the size of a motel room, but if you want a comfortable bed, air, and no mosquitos, this is the place. If you camp and remember only one thing to bring, make it insect repellant.

I WAS THERE THE WEEKEND AFTER CHRISTMAS MET THE NEW OWNERS THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE I JUST LOVE THIS PLACE

I WAS THERE THE WEEKEND AFTER CHRISTMAS MET THE NEW OWNERS THEY ARE GREAT PEOPLE I JUST LOVE THIS PLACE

Does anyone know whether or not there are ATM machines in Rocheport and Portland. I need to be able to show time/date of passage through those 2 places. I will obviously make a purchase at local businesses if they are open, but need a backup plan in case they don't offer date/time receipts and/or are closed for the day/season. Any help is appreciated. THANKS!

Don't hold me to it, but I doubt you will find ATMs in either place. The closest to Rocheport will probably be Boonville. Portland? hmmmmm, probably either Mokane or Rhineland?

Having ridden through both places several times - that's what I was afraid of.



Thanks for taking the time to respond! I appreciate it.



On to Plan B....

The gas station on Hwy 19 at McKittrick has an ATM.

The Hitching Post in Hartsburg has an ATM

Outstanding accomodations,hospitality and food. Beautiful home and wonderful hostess. Highly recommended

Outstanding accomodations,hospitality and food. Beautiful home and wonderful hostess. Highly recommended

I ride the Katy on my black Electra townie now and then and will continue to do so unless I lose it along Highway 54 like I did my Wenona canoe.

I hear townies are nice bikes for the Katy, Just curious how did you lose a high dollar Wenona canoe?

Our group stayed with Jeanette in July 2008 and very much enjoyed our time with her. The local restaurant was closed for the day when we arrived, so we enjoyed pizza and beer with Jeanette at the local tavern. The Globe is an old hotel and is a work in progress. Jeanette has done a great job with it. The rooms are clean, well decorated, and having a sink in the room was helpful. Breakfast was delightfully substantial.

Our group stayed with Jeanette in July 2008 and very much enjoyed our time with her. The local restaurant was closed for the day when we arrived, so we enjoyed pizza and beer with Jeanette at the local tavern. The Globe is an old hotel and is a work in progress. Jeanette has done a great job with it. The rooms are clean, well decorated, and having a sink in the room was helpful. Breakfast was delightfully substantial.

I rode the Katy Trail in late May 2008 and stayed at the "Globe". The accommodations were very nice. After a long day on the trail I was glad she had a room for me. I don't think I could have biked another mile... The breakfast and the comraderie with the other bikers that were there was also a plus. No complaints here about the "Globe".. Next time I do the trail I will make a point to stay there.



The next day I rode to Marthasville. Evening was rapidly descending all around me and I was just about out of energy. The B & B there right off the trail for some reason wouldn't accomodate any one that night which I was totally unprepared for. I biked to Dutzow and talked to the people at the restaurant right off the trail about any local lodging-my only option appeared to be Washington... By now it was totally dark and there was no way I could bike across that bridge so far and so late. The lady and I think the evening manager at the restaurant was very understanding to my plight and drove me the 10 miles out of her way to Washington to the "Sleep Inn". I was very thankful for her being there when I needed her. If not for her I am not sure what I would have done.. Later on that night, the real owner of that B & B in Marthasville called and left a message on my cell to come back, but I was just fine at the Sleep Inn. The next morning I crossed that bridge at Washington and that is no picnic to cross, but you don't want to dilly dally. My thanks to Jeanette @ the Globe and the lady/manager at that Dutzow restaurant.

I rode the Katy Trail in late May 2008 and stayed at the "Globe". The accommodations were very nice. After a long day on the trail I was glad she had a room for me. I don't think I could have biked another mile... The breakfast and the comraderie with the other bikers that were there was also a plus. No complaints here about the "Globe".. Next time I do the trail I will make a point to stay there.



The next day I rode to Marthasville. Evening was rapidly descending all around me and I was just about out of energy. The B & B there right off the trail for some reason wouldn't accomodate any one that night which I was totally unprepared for. I biked to Dutzow and talked to the people at the restaurant right off the trail about any local lodging-my only option appeared to be Washington... By now it was totally dark and there was no way I could bike across that bridge so far and so late. The lady and I think the evening manager at the restaurant was very understanding to my plight and drove me the 10 miles out of her way to Washington to the "Sleep Inn". I was very thankful for her being there when I needed her. If not for her I am not sure what I would have done.. Later on that night, the real owner of that B & B in Marthasville called and left a message on my cell to come back, but I was just fine at the Sleep Inn. The next morning I crossed that bridge at Washington and that is no picnic to cross, but you don't want to dilly dally. My thanks to Jeanette @ the Globe and the lady/manager at that Dutzow restaurant.

We are planning a May 2nd trip from Hermann to St. Charles. We are newbies at this but feel that this is the best time of year and a realistic distance. We thought the prevailing winds would be west to east and May would be a good choice regarding the temperature. If we stay in Herman and bike to Washington in one day then on to St. Charles on the second day we should not be too tired to "smell the roses". Any comments on our plan?

Thanks, Michael

Michael...that sounds like a good plan. Hermann is a nice start or ending point. It we were to do that trip, I'd make sure to arrange to be shuttled across the bridge in Washington. Although I don't generally scare easily and have riden the old Hermann bridge and the bridge in Jefferson City...I've driven the bridge in Washington and would not attempt it on the bike. I'm guessing that most that post here would agree that the Washington bridge is not to ridden by the average trail rider.

Clinton Cab is available to transport riders from Clinton to anywhere in Missouri. 660-890-2221. We have several vehicles available from the standard Crown Vic up to an Expedition.

Would like to ride from St. Louis to Kansas City, following the trail as long as practical next January. Not worried about cold - but is heavy snow a likely concern? What are the most economical heated lodging options? I've got more time than money.

A few years ago I rode the trail in the late winter and slept in the caves near rochport ,it was warmer in the cave than out side. the trail was wet and your tires sunk in about 1 inch .it made for some very hard riding and i was not in the best shape for riding because i

havent ridden sense fall.I got off the trail after the cave and rode the blacktop to boonville then i turned around it was tough GOOD LUCK.

I hope your not talking about the cave between mcbaine and rocheport.



That cave is PRIVATE PROPERTY. Further, there is a sign there saying not to enter it

because the bats that inhabit it are endangered. Of course the sign also has a sign saying

its private property but as you will notice there is a worn path from the KATY into that

cave.



I ride the KATY a lot and I constantly see people have a complete disregard for people's

property rights. I see boy scout troops letting their kids climb cliffs and run through field

crops.



The entire state is not your play pen and this is exactly the kind of thing that landowners

complain about whenever a new trail is planned.



Please tell me why someone would approach something like that and think to themselves,

"oh well...I'm soooo important I will just do it anyway...forget the bats and the fact that its

not my property."

Very nice people, good rates and incredibly good hot showers!!!

Very nice people, good rates and incredibly good hot showers!!!

This campground and the property it sits on was my childhood home (circa 1967 - 1981) It was a farm at the time (cattle, horses, chickens, 300 acres farmland) I grew up running around this area, back when the Missouri Pacific railroad traveled up and down what is now the Katy Trail. My family sold the farm after my grandparents passed away and we lost contact with it altogether until my sister was looking at a biking magazine and saw a picture of the place in the magazine. Imagine our surprise! The house that sits on the property is actually an old riverboat that was converted to a house around the early 1900's. My great grandfather bought the farm in 1920's or '30s and lived there until my grandpartents both passed away in the early 1980s. The entire area is a wonderful place to hike, camp, hunt, and fish. The Missouri river is just a few hundred yards away from the front door of the house. Over the years, we found dozens and dozens of arrowheads and several indian burial sites. On top of the hill that sits just east of the house is a really old cemetary, with most headstones dating late 1800s. The cemetary was an awfully scary place for me as a child.



I dream of the "farm" often and hope to go back and visit it sometime soon. It is wonderful to know that a place I hold so dear to my heart has turned out to be a place where people can actually visit and go camping. I can't imagine what the campgrounds look like, as they did not exist when I was a child.



Hope you all can enjoy the area as much as I did growing up. If you look around, you might find a few trees with my initials carved into them.

This campground and the property it sits on was my childhood home (circa 1967 - 1981) It was a farm at the time (cattle, horses, chickens, 300 acres farmland) I grew up running around this area, back when the Missouri Pacific railroad traveled up and down what is now the Katy Trail. My family sold the farm after my grandparents passed away and we lost contact with it altogether until my sister was looking at a biking magazine and saw a picture of the place in the magazine. Imagine our surprise! The house that sits on the property is actually an old riverboat that was converted to a house around the early 1900's. My great grandfather bought the farm in 1920's or '30s and lived there until my grandpartents both passed away in the early 1980s. The entire area is a wonderful place to hike, camp, hunt, and fish. The Missouri river is just a few hundred yards away from the front door of the house. Over the years, we found dozens and dozens of arrowheads and several indian burial sites. On top of the hill that sits just east of the house is a really old cemetary, with most headstones dating late 1800s. The cemetary was an awfully scary place for me as a child.



I dream of the "farm" often and hope to go back and visit it sometime soon. It is wonderful to know that a place I hold so dear to my heart has turned out to be a place where people can actually visit and go camping. I can't imagine what the campgrounds look like, as they did not exist when I was a child.



Hope you all can enjoy the area as much as I did growing up. If you look around, you might find a few trees with my initials carved into them.

We've camped at Steamboat Junction and we've stopped several times to enjoy the shade. It is a welcomed stop along the trail and the owners are friendly. Each time we've talked to them over the past few years though, they always mention that business is down and that they are thinking about closing. Last summer the owner expressed concern that no one knew that they were even there. She said that many bikers passed on by and never slowed. If you haven't stayed there, check out the secluded campground and the little cottage (air conditioned) if they fit into your Katy plans in '09.

We've camped at Steamboat Junction and we've stopped several times to enjoy the shade. It is a welcomed stop along the trail and the owners are friendly. Each time we've talked to them over the past few years though, they always mention that business is down and that they are thinking about closing. Last summer the owner expressed concern that no one knew that they were even there. She said that many bikers passed on by and never slowed. If you haven't stayed there, check out the secluded campground and the little cottage (air conditioned) if they fit into your Katy plans in '09.