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McBain/Jefferson City
Debbie from Missouri on 11/16/2005 02:17 PM
We thought about a trip from McBain to Jefferson City. Does anyone have comments about parking in McBain-safe or not? Also any other comments or suggstions are welcome.

frank from festus, mo on 11/16/2005 06:19 PM
debbie, i parked there last yr when i rode to hartsburg and back. no problems at all. have fun, happy biking

gc from Columbia on 11/20/2005 08:20 AM
I think McBaine is perfectly safe. I have parked a car there over night, and it was just fine. Lock it, of course, and don't be stupid, but everything should be fine. McBaine is not a high crime area by any sense of the word

Renee' from Independence, MO on 11/19/2005 05:17 PM
We weren't sure where to stay in Columbia but we ended up discovering the Presidential Suite at the Quality Inn. It was fabulous and the Breakfast the next morning was very good. Much more elaborate than just cold foods and coffee. They had a wide variety of hot foods and cold. The rooms were very clean and the Presidential Suite was well worth it for the money!

Les Lavandes Bed and Breakfast
Renee' from Independence, MO on 11/19/2005 05:11 PM
We went to Les Lavandes for my husband's birthday weekend and we came away changed forever. We will always be spoiled to enjoy anywhere else now that we have had Myrta's cooking and Richard's service! We felt like we had a new family. We intended to ride on the Katy Trail but it got very cold and rainy so we spent the day walking through the Shrine next door and touring Hermann a little bit. We spent late afternoon out in the hot tub in the cool misty outdoors and then had the most delicious food we had ever tasted! We will definitely go back as often as we can for a weekend getaway or longer. They are open for Christmas, too and do an old fashioned European Christmas tree lighting with candles and carols! Thanks Richard and Myrta for showing us how Bed and Breakfasts should be!

prevailing wind
Bruce M. from Oceanside, CA on 11/13/2005 12:39 AM
In the month of October would the prevailing wind come out of the west or the


Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 11/14/2005 01:11 PM
West by Northwest

kasko from STL MO on 11/16/2005 05:24 PM
Always ride trail from west to east to takenadvantage of winds

The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 11/17/2005 07:05 AM
....also field elevation is higher in the west and lower in the east, but don't think its gonna be all down hill! Enjoy the Voyage Mark of the Dalton Boys

The trail in 3 days
kfrench from Centralia on 10/27/2005 10:42 PM
I just competed the trail 10/26/05 and was wondering how many people have finished it in one or two days.

My wife was kind enough to drop me off in Clinton, Sunday night and actually came to get me in st. Charles Wednesday evening.

Day 1:I camped in Clinton behind the comunity center then rode to Booneville,(72.8 miles) where I stayed at the Days Inn. Day 2: Booneville to Bluffton(80.9 miles) and camped at Steamboat Junction. Day 3: Bluffton to St. Charles(71.4 miles).

Bike: Trek 1000 Tires: Specialized armadillos(no flats)

margie on 10/28/2005 02:11 PM
Wow, way to go! Mind if I ask a question...how old are you and what type of riding/training do you do.

kfrench from Centralia on 10/29/2005 11:09 AM
Thanks. I am 36 and as far as riding I've either rode to work a couple times a week, about 14 miles or ride a 22 mile loop near my house a couple of times a week for the last 1 1/2 months.

MLH from Overland Park KS on 11/03/2005 10:18 PM
Hey great job! I'm sure webmaster Ray or historian Brett Dufur know the answer but at least 4 people have done the entire trail in one day, including a group of three with a link on this site: http://www.triathletepro.com/katyfreedom.html

I'm haven't read about any 2-day people but I am looking to do so next season, using a chase car as you had done, and plan to go west to east also. If you (or anyone else out there) would be interested in joining me for such (or just longer day rides) then let me know,it would be great fun and a good challenge. My email address is: haaghead@kc.rr.com

The Dalton Boys from Austin, TX/Columbia, MO. on 11/08/2005 01:10 PM
Can't make any such speed claim, my brothers and I, but you picked some of the most "bullet proof" tires to do the trip. TREK isn't a shabby choice either.....'merican made. Enjoy the voyage....Mark of the Dalton Boys

kfrench from Centralia on 11/14/2005 08:41 PM
Thanks MLH. But I didn't use a chase car. I started out with almost 50lbs of gear and food, more clothes than needed and not enough food.

I would be interested in making a two day trip.

Lewis and Clarks American Restaurant (St Charles)
Local Guy from St. Charles MO on 11/12/2005 05:22 PM
See Trail Head Resturaunt:

Same great service, great food and micro-brew. Little different menu.


Pio's (St Charles)
Local Guy from St. Charles MO on 11/12/2005 05:18 PM
Many blocks from the Katy Trail. We weren't impressed with the food, or the service. Wasn't bad, just wasn't good. Went there for a carry out pizza once- it was great.


Rumples Pub (St Charles)
Local Guy from St. Charles MO on 11/12/2005 05:15 PM
Quaint, historic flavor. Bar itself appears very old- antique. The place is chock full of memorabilia- you wont be bored even if you are there with someone boring. Tiny place so plan on arriving 1-2 hours before the band starts playing. Full menu, although we only drink there...great on-tap line up and moderately priced draughts. We are dining there tonight- that is why I am here posting.....will keep you appraised as to the menu..


Trailhead Brewing Co (St Charles)
Local Guy from St. Charles MO on 11/12/2005 05:11 PM
We are locals and Trail Head is one of our favorite places to eat! Service, once seated, is always excellent and I have never had bad food there. Salmon; excellent. Burgers; excellent. Baked Beans w/ smoked brisket; excellent. Salads (grist Mill especially); excellent. The beer is great, but a tiny bit pricey. Patio dining.

Its not alwyas a lo0ng wait, but its a popular place for large parties, so sometimes there is a short to long wait (1 out of every 5 times).



Trailhead Brewing Co (St Charles)
Kim Foster from Alton, IL on 11/11/2005 04:51 PM
I dont know what the guy in Weldon Springs is talking about, everytime we go there we

have a great experience! On weekends, the wait can be up to 1.5 hours so plan on

relaxing in the bar areas and sipping brewsky and eating an appetizer. The special beer I

love is the pumpkin beer--best around--tastes just like a pumpkin pie and full of taste!

Only avaible in late Oct. and Nov. though so hurry in and try it. Going there for my

birthday bash!

Hazard in St Charles south of Page Bridge
Ray (webmaster) on 11/11/2005 06:56 AM
I received the following note regarding a potential danger along the trail. I have not had a chance to check it out myself, but have notified the MO Department of Natural Resources. I thought I'd post it here to let people know to be cautious. Thanks to Brian B. for passing this info along.

I wanted to report a dangerous condition on the trail just south of the new Page Avenue bridge. My 4 year-old son and I were riding there last weekend when we approached a section just past a subdivision about a mile South from the Page bridge. There was a steep drop off close to the trail on the West side that went almost straight down about 20-30 feet. My son was riding right in front of me when the big drop off and stream below caught his eye. As he looked down at the drop off he naturally started to steer in the same direction and in a split second he rode off the side of the main trail and was heading for the edge of the drop off which was only about 10 feet or less from the side of the main trail. Luckily, he fell off the bike about half way to the edge and was unhurt. His bike continued on and stopped at the precipice of the drop off. Needless to say, this scared the heck out of me and I wanted to report it to someone in an attempt to prevent anyone from experiencing the same thing (or worse!) in the future. It really showed me how quick things can go bad with an unprotected drop off so close to the trail. I am wondering if it is possible to put up some sort of protection in this area - it was one of the biggest and steepest drop-offs I saw on the trail. If there is anyone else I should alert, please let me know.

McKittrick Trailhead (McKittrick)
Judy Maier from Centralia IL. on 10/16/2005 09:32 PM
I'm trying to check how to go on amtrak from centralia IL. to what stops it makes on the katy trail or whatever would be the closest. My bike club would be interested in going. Thankyou

Ray (webmaster) on 10/17/2005 09:20 AM
Follow this link for details about riding Amtrak to/along the Katy Trail - where the train stops (Washington, Hermann, Jeff City, Sedalia), and how to get to the trail from there. This page does not tell you how to get from Centralia IL to the cross-Missouri route, but Amtrak's website should be able to tell you that (you'll see a link to their site on that page).

kasko from STL MO on 10/20/2005 03:28 PM
Thae Amtrak listed above is excellent. If you reserve ahesd of time they will install hangers in one of the cars so that you can hang your bike and keep your eye on itn Needless to say cannot keep them in the aisle and there is no longer a "baggage car". Thanks to Trail Net in StL.


Nails on 10/21/2005 11:52 AM
If you're looking to ride Amtrak from Centralia, that means you'll have to board the Illini or City of New Orleans to Chicago (bikes not allowed on either) and then ride the Ann Rutledge to get to Washington, Herman, Jefferson City, or Sedalia stations along the KATY trail. Alternately, you can ride train south to Carbondale, get a thruway (bus) connection to St. Louis to ride either the Ann Rutledge or the Kansas City Mule to the KATY.

ET from Columbia on 11/10/2005 11:59 AM
The other problem, unless they've changed their policy, is that they strictly limit bikes on trains (I'm not sure the number--2 or 4,I think, so that won't work well for a bike club.

Globe Hotel (Hartsburg)
Eileen J from Fayetteville, Arkansas on 11/10/2005 07:50 AM
Had beautiful weather the first weekend in November and enjoyed a relaxing ride from New Franklin to Hartsburg and then back to Rocheport. Stayed at the Katy Trail B&B in Rocheport and enjoyed the hot tub and the easy access to the trail. The Globe in Hartsburg offered a more communal setting with riders and walkers gathering in the parlor after dinner. Jeanette is great and cooks a great breakfast (especially the zucchini muffins). If you stay there, make sure she shows you photos from the flood...amazing. The Bike Depot is a great resource and we enjoyed test riding some of their recumbants. All in all a great trip. We were excited to see the changes along the trail in the last two years with the addition of the conservation areas. Hopefully the Katy Trail will inspire more regions to adopt these types of trails.

looking for artist who carved jewelry at oktoberfest
Anonymous on 11/09/2005 01:36 PM
Hello I am desperately interested in finding a female artist that carved jewelry. I was told she was at oktoberfest in MO near Marthasville or Treloar. I need to commision some work from her but noone knows her name..If anyone out there has info about her please e-mail me at JMG9TH@aol.com

need help thank you


Hartsburg Inn (Hartsburg)
Georgeann and Charlie from Kirkwood MO on 11/08/2005 10:14 AM
Just made the ride from Sedalia back to Kirkwood and had a great trip. Stayed the first night at the Hartsburg Inn and it was just what we needed. The refrigerator in the room was stocked with juice,water and yogurt. We were able to start another day of riding with a nice breakfast and coffee right there in the room. Our hoste was most gracious and accomodating. We'd recommend this place to all.

Katy Trail
gc from Columbia, Mo on 11/05/2005 09:05 PM
As I sit here righting this, it is raining in Mid-Missouri. Does anyone have any idea how long it takes for the trail to dry out? This has been a pretty good rain, but it was the first in a while and the sun is expected to be out tomorrow with temps ranging from 41 and up to 60. Any ideas?

savage24 from KC,MO on 11/05/2005 09:55 PM
Go ride tomorrow afternoon!!

The trail drains very well in most places. Memorial Day 2004 I had planned to ride with my niece, but we had severe thunderstorms in the early afternoon. I had given up on the idea of riding and we were just waiting out the storms and tornado warnings at my cousins house until we could head home. The storms past and the sun came out and she still wanted to ride so we hit the trail about 4:30 and rode 9 miles with no problems. You may run through a few soft spots or have to dodge a few puddles, but the plus side is there will be no dust.

gc from Columbia, Mo on 11/05/2005 10:53 PM
Cool! I am actually a walker, but this is the best site I have found on the trail. I am hoping to convince my wife to do the New Franklin to Rocheport section with me tomorrow morning. I KNOW she is going to use the rain as an excuse, so now I have some ammunition for my counter-argument.

parking in clinton
applea from plattsburg mo on 10/16/2005 11:43 AM
We are planning a bike ride from clinton to rocheport, and need info on parking in clinton and safety concerns with the vechiles.

Trailriders Sports from Clinton Mo on 11/05/2005 09:01 AM
There is parking at the trailhead and at the community center across the street that is watched by the police department. It would not hurt to notify them also.

Camping in Clinton
Ben from Imperial, MO on 09/28/2005 09:38 AM
I am planning a trip for next May, where some friends and I will bike the whole trail. We are going to start in Clinton I was wondering if anyone knew of a place to stay in Clinton. We are coming from different parts of the state and will need a place to stay, so we can get a fresh start in the morning. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

gretchen from glen ellyn, il on 09/30/2005 09:05 PM
I just got back from biking the Katy and am about to post an "ADVISE" topic...be sure to read it!

Ben from Imperial, MO on 10/19/2005 07:23 AM
Gretchen I have been looking forward to your ADVISE post, but have yet to see it go up. If anyone else has any ideas on lodging in Clinton I would greatly appreciat it.

RBRLIP from Washington, MO on 10/24/2005 02:23 PM
By next May our company hopes to have at least 2 out our 5-10 properties open for business. Be sure to check out our web site for more information. www.mattnmeiers.com

Rob Meier, Co-founder Mattnmeier's Recreational Services, LLC

Trailriders Sports from Clinton Mo on 11/05/2005 08:55 AM
There are a number of Motels close to the trailhead. Best Western, Super 8 within a mile, also many resturants. Camping at the community center across from trail head. Bike shop on the square in clinton with shuttle service.Can be contacted at trailridersports@yahoo.com

katy bike rental
frank umbdenstock from festus, mo on 11/04/2005 07:20 PM
me and my 9 y.o g'son (one of six g'sons) rode the katy trail today from defiance to weldon springs and back. even though we did not go very far (6 miles round trip) it was a great day for it, and we had fun. we then stopped off at the katy bike rental in defiance. the owner was fantastic. very courteous, friendly, and helpful. we had some ted drewes ice cream and drinks, then sat at one of the picnic tables in the yard and enjoyed them. if ever in or through defiance, stop off at the katy bike rental. smacks are great and service is fantastic.

John El's BBQ
v.w. from kansas city on 11/04/2005 12:05 PM
Although John El's BBQ is mentioned in another comment, it's not listed as an amenity. On our recent ride Becky's was closed when we got there. Asked at the historical society and a nice couple recommended John El's. Homey and tasty, very reasonably priced.

Cracked Crab (Rocheport)
Tim from Kansas City on 11/03/2005 05:09 PM
A great little place!!

Cliff Manor Bed & Breakfast Inn (Jefferson City)
Alice from Huntsville, AL on 11/03/2005 09:19 AM
We enjoyed our stay at the Cliff Manor B&B. The room was beautiful, breakfast was delicious, and the hosts were very helpful and accomodating. We also enjoyed walking to dinner from the B&B and walking around Jefferson City in the evening.

Concord Hill B&B (Peers)
Alice from Huntsville, AL on 11/03/2005 09:16 AM
We stayed at the Concord Hill B&B after a long ride on the Katy Trail. We had ridden over 70 miles, it was getting late, and we were ready for the hot tub when we got there! They were extremely nice, and actually drove and picked up our dinner (at the only restaurant open, in a nearby town) while we relaxed in the hot tub. The breakfast the next morning was outstanding also.

New Katy Trail Business Spring 2006
RBRLIP from Washington, MO on 10/23/2005 12:25 PM
Looking for suggestions and comments on new business I'm starting along the Katy Trail... 5-10 locations which will have camping sites, cabins, and a variety of other services. For more information check out our web site (it too is a work in progress) at www.mattnmeiers.com.

RBRLIP from Washington, MO on 10/31/2005 08:18 AM
Our web site continues to improve as more and more comments and suggestions come in... My thanks to Every One for their help. Please continue to send us your comments and suggestions,,, good or bad. We Love hearing from ya's.

Anonymous on 10/31/2005 01:24 PM
Not sure you noticed or not, but you are responding to your own post there dude. Talking to yourself. Two words my friend. Main. Tain.

Although I wish you well in your venture, I think we all get the point. You have posted here numerous times under every imaginable totally unrelated topic. I'm more interested in seeing what you have other than a pipe dream.

Also, I don't think this comment from your website is a true statement. "Currently those who wish to travel the entire length of the trail will have to make several arrangements with many different businesses for all their needs from shelter, food, and shuttle transportation." There are several organizations who do guided tours the length of the Katy. And, what about the DNR ride every June? One organization. One phone call.

You may be new to starting a business of this type, but please don't insult our intelligence in your efforts to do so. That will only keep me comfortably riding past to an already established place of business.

Red Brick Inn (Augusta)
Dr.and Mrs. Larry Lowe from Belleville, Illinois on 10/30/2005 06:00 PM
My husband and I stayed at the Red Brick Inn on October 16, 2005. Our experience was wonderful from the time we arrived until we left the next morning. The Inn is absolutely beautiful, a fully restored 19th century home, decorated perfectly with antiques and wonderful art. We can't wait to return.

Places to stay in Rocheport
bikerLaura from Round Lake, IL on 08/10/2005 09:02 PM
I'm considering staying in Rocheport in late September. Are there places to stay other than B&Bs that are close to the trail? I was interested in the Katy Bed and Bikefest but would like a private bath.

Debi from Boonville on 10/30/2005 05:52 PM
There is Riverview suites in Boonville. Private suites with washer and dryers, bike rack in the rooms 1 block off the trail. You can actually see the trail from the room and the Missouri River. 660-882-0300.

Has anyone stayed at the 4 doors B&B in Boonville?
Brian from Lees Summit on 10/07/2005 01:50 PM
Curious to hear feedback from anyone who has stayed at the 4 doors B&B in Boonville. Thanks.

Debi from Boonville on 10/30/2005 05:42 PM
It is a new B & B. Clean very nice and located behind Cafe Napolils. It is 2 blocks from the trail and the Missouri River Bridge.

Hermann & Octoberfest
Susan from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma on 08/17/2005 12:27 AM
Any comments regarding camping at the city park in Hermann this October on a Sunday? A group of us are planning to do this. We were recently were told that because of Octoberfest, it will be very noisy, with a lot of drunks, somewhere we'll enjoy being & that riding across the bridge will be very dangerous. Has anyone out there camped here on a Sunday evening in October?

john from kansas city on 08/18/2005 10:14 PM
Octoberfest and Katy Trail bikers do not mix well. The traffic is unmanageable when traveling by bike. The city campground is bare bones and will be filled with drunks and hooligans. The facilities are pretty rustic when not getting much use. I can only imagine what they would be like with hundreds of party goers.

If camping, your best option is at Steamboat Junction in Bluffton. If you want to sample the food and drink at Octoberfest in Hermmann...get a ride from a local and leave the bike at the campgound.

Heather from St Louis on 10/20/2005 11:29 AM
On a Sunday, you'll probably be just fine in the City Park. The Octoberfest partiers are really there on Friday and Saturday nights.

I have also camped at a place just off the trail north of the river; about 5 miles away from Hermann -- much quieter.

RBRLIP from Washington, MO on 10/24/2005 02:21 PM
Hermann is doing its best to control the problem they've had with drunks... It is much better than it once was however to get there on bike from the trail is VERY dangerous!!!! You'll have to cross a busy narrow bridge... There is a shuttle service whose number is (hopefully still there) on the bullitin board at the Mckittrick trail head... Not cheap, but much safer to get across bridge...

By the way,,, next year (spring of 2006) you may be interested in my new company. Check out www.mattnmeiers.com for more information...

Rob Meier, Co-founder Mattnmeier's Recreational Services, LLC

Bentcruiser from Oklahoma on 10/06/2005 07:50 AM
I suspect this town's anticipated greatness is because the author of the KATY book lives here.

They do not allow camping. There is not much to see other than architecture.

Trek Biker from St. Joseph, MO on 10/06/2005 08:38 AM

And I imagine Oklahoma's anticipated greatness is because YOU live there. Not much to see there but red dirt. Roflmao big time!!

You must have rode through with your eyes closed Bent!

T on 10/07/2005 12:58 AM
Hey Okie, if your state is so great then why doesn't Texas fall into the Gulf? Because Oklahoma...

Ben from Imperial, MO on 10/11/2005 08:35 AM
What is the purpose of fighting about whose state is better? We all live in the USA and each state has its good things.

Bentcruiser from Oklahoma on 10/14/2005 03:44 PM
Missouri people:

I am not talking about your state as a whole. I also said nothing about Oklahoma's

"greatness" as someone wrote.

The town was nice with the architecture, there just wasn't much there.

Sorry to step on these obviously tender feelings about Missouri.

bentcruiser from oklahoma on 10/20/2005 09:32 AM
I am feeling pretty bad about what I posted about Rocheport. I feel I need to clarify.

Rocheport and the surrounding area were the most beautiful section of the trail, imho. My

original statement was referring to acitvities and such, not the town or area.

Some poster responded asking what made Oklahoma special. I imagine it would be the

same with Missouri: different parts are nice, others are not.

I like Missouri and particularly the KATY area.

Sorry if it hurt anyone's feelings.

Guest from Missouri on 10/20/2005 09:29 PM
Pronunciation of Rocheport? Ro-sh-port...Ro-k-port...Rock-port?

gc from Columbia, Mo on 10/21/2005 07:22 AM
It's Ro-sh-port

RBRLIP from Washington, MO on 10/24/2005 02:14 PM
Hi Brent,, No offence taken here. My name is Rob Meier, I'm co-founder for Mattnmeier's Recreational Services, LLC. Our new company (beginning Spring 2006) hopes to improve service on the Katy Trail by developing 5-10 properties along its 225 mile length. Each property will have cabins, camping sites, and a variety of other services I'm sure you'll love... Check out our web site at www.mattnmeiers.com for more information.

By the way, I have friends in the Claremore area....

Chowda House & Italian Eatery (St Charles)
Tammy from Currently Saint Charles Missouri on 10/06/2005 01:00 AM
Sadly, the Chowda House closed its doors earlier this summer as one of the first casualties of the stunted tourist industry this year. Record gas prices have been blamed for the failing tourist businesses on Main Street. The Bella Garden Cafe is open and appreciates the support of the Cycling Community, welcoming bikers to the outdoor cafe just off the Katy Trail at 524 S Main across from the former Chowda House site.

Ray (webmaster) on 10/06/2005 02:14 PM
Thanks Tammy. I have removed Chowda House from the website, and added Bella Garden Cafe to the St Charles listings, based on the information in your other note.

Rhona Lococo-- Lococo House Bed &Breakfast from St. Charles on 10/24/2005 12:17 AM
Sad to see yet another business close on Main St.in St. Charles ---- instead of blamimg the gas prices , and the lost of the tourist trade----- why not be more receptive to local business ---- and stay open later than 5:00pm

Katy Bike Rental (Defiance)
Vickie from Kansas City Mo on 09/30/2005 08:45 AM
We stopped in here on Fri. Sept.23. The owner made sure we filled our water bottles before leaving. Doing some upgrades with a deck and new restrooms. If you need something he probably has it, including snacks, drinks, ice cream. Very helpful place and nice to talk with. Can't miss it, a bridge leads right to the back door directly from the trail...Don't pass this one.

Rhona Lococo-- Lococo House Bed &Breakfast from St. Charles on 10/23/2005 11:54 PM
Had guests at our B&B on Saturday the 22nd of October, and they had nothing but good things to say about Katy Bike Rental, the service and attention was great, they were not experienced riders so all the help was appreciated ----- just wanted to pass the info along ----- Rhona Lococo --- Lococo House ll,Bed & Breakfast --- just three blocks from the Katy Trail

Pilot Grove B&B & Flower Shop (formerly JD's) (Pilot Grove)
Rear Admiral from Wisconsin on 10/23/2005 04:19 PM
We enjoyed this B&B very much. Hospitable owner, shelter for the bike, comfortable rooms, clean bathrooms, continental breakfast. We had no trouble booking a room at the last minute.

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