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Gun Range threatens Quiet on the Katy Trail
 -  + It is unfortunate that the forum was shutdown, this IS about the Katy Trail, Greg! People who enjoy the Katy trail should be informed when businesses, groups, or entities move to disrupt or change wh...
Discussion started 07/10/2008 10:47 PM by Rob - 12 replies (last reply by Doug at 08/19/2008 04:50 PM)
Rob from dutzow on 07/10/2008 10:47 PM
It is unfortunate that the forum was shutdown, this IS about the Katy Trail, Greg! People who enjoy the Katy trail should be informed when businesses, groups, or entities move to disrupt or change what we all enjoy so we can exercise our free speach ammendment.



This IS NOT a Pro-gun vs anti-gun issue.

I am a 2nd ammendment proponent, CCW, and card carring NRA member. I go to a gunrange on a regular basis.

But this proposed range will be in earshot of the trail, and my understanding is it will allow rapid fire and could extend to automatic weapons. It will be noisy, constant, and yes the sound will travel quite well across an open field.

This is the issue! People enjoy the quiet on the trail.

I feel they should build an indoor range or move the outside range further away to preserve the attractions of the trail.

I encourage people to contact any and all the zoning members who will be deciding on this issue in Warren County on Aug 21st.

Rick Brant, Chair 636-239-3512

Tracy Brakensiek, Vice-Chair 636-456-3044

Kelly Hardcastle, Secretary 636-528-6182

Hubert Kluesner, Commissioner 636-433-2320

Nelson Seger, Commissioner 636-456-2434

Darrell Reinhardt, Commissioner 573-486-2469

Dan Simpson, Commissioner 636-456-4343

Donald Tomschin, Commissioner 636-463-1603



Thank you all and God Bless America


 
Bike Cop from KCMO on 07/11/2008 02:03 AM
You are a NIMBY. Not in my back yard. This is country not city. Relax dude. The sound of gunfire in the country, is not the same as gunfire in the hood.

 
jp from St. Louis on 07/11/2008 11:46 AM
Personally, I drive 40 miles from the "hood", to get to the Katy trail for a nice peaceful ride. A place where we can get away from the craziness we encounter on our St. Louis excursions. I am not a gun owner, however; I have nothing against anyone who likes the range. I would just rather not have anything loud disturbing the tranquility the Katy trail provides to my wife and I after a stressful week of work. Also; our forefathers fought for our right to own and bear arms, however; they also fought for our right to free speech and opinion; so the judging of each others opinion should stop and we should save our energy for completing the Katy trail to both ends of the state. Thank You.

 
Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/11/2008 12:40 PM
As someone who grew up listening to gunfire in the country, I can assure you it was extremely annoying, not being able to walk around 20 acres of your own property, for fear of being shot accidentally (and knowing the ambulance would need at least 20 minutes to arrive). It's also unnerving.



You're right though, KCMO bike cop -- gunfire isn't the same in the country, since it travels farther and last longer.

 
robert from columbia on 07/12/2008 04:59 PM
If you hate the Katy Trail go ahead and show up at a meeting and try to tell them where

they can and cannot put their gun range.



This is EXACTLY what landowners feared when they pushed through the trail.



You are right that this has nothing to do with gun rights but I feel that this is much more

of an issue than the bridge in Booneville ever would be.



Can you imagine! Showing up at a meeting and starting with, "I live 300 miles away but I

ride the KATY trail and I think............." I think that would make many people very angry.

 
Bike Cop from KCMO on 07/12/2008 06:52 PM
I live by and bike the trails around Smithville Lake. A trap range is nearby, and the sounds of shots are often heard. It does not seem to disturb the nearby wildlife, or the many users of the trails. The range is well thought out and safe, as are all controlled public ranges. Relax. Bike riders have to share the the land with others.

 
gc from Columbia, Mo. on 07/14/2008 07:21 AM
I think that as long as the safety issues are resolved, i.e. no chance of a ricochet, that a gun range shouldn't be an issue.



I agree with one of the above posts, if the actual, on-site neighbors are OK with it, trail-users really shouldn't have too much of a beef. If the noise bothers you, ride/walk/run along another few miles. I personally find the areas where construction is/has been going on (east end of Greens Bottom) to be annoying, but I am not going to go before a county commission meeting and try to get it shut down. I just put my head down and move on through.

 
Trek on 07/14/2008 08:17 AM
The trails at Smithville Lake mentioned in Bike Cop's post above, are a pretty good example of a very diverse group of interests co-habiting. We ride the trails there often and it is very refreshing to see all the different groups using the eastern shoreline for so many different reasons. On our 40 some mile loop we've seen many, many deer, turkeys, song birds, trail riders, mountain bikers, the peace and quiet of "Sailboat Cove," the jammin loud music of the party cove, fishing boats, kite boaders, campers with their washer boxes set up on the trail, kids bikes that have been ditched along the trail near mom and dads camper, big bore V-8 powered boats that are very loud, and we also pass the gun range. The first time we rode there and heard gunfire our ears perked up until we rode on and saw that the shots were coming from a controlled area.

We can all do our own thing without infringing on others rights. And we all have many rights, whether that be to carry a concealed weapon or to speak out against something that we don't care for.

 
Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/14/2008 01:28 PM
"If you hate the Katy Trail go ahead and show up at a meeting and try to tell them where they can and cannot put their gun range. This is EXACTLY what landowners feared when they pushed through the trail." Well, Robert, gun owners take up state resources all the time in Jefferson City, lobbying for gun "rights" above all else, and they'll bring in strangers and non-residents from 1,000s of miles away to do it, all the time. They push a lot of things through the legislature I'd rather not see, so I guess I'm square with the persecuted landowners. (And if the landowners in question are farmers, well...they'd have more credibility if they didn't take government subsidies.)

I agree with a previous poster, if the gunfire noise and actual shots are limited to "their" property, no problem. I do actually find some reassurance in this. Sounds like a decent, safe, secure set-up.

 
robert on 07/14/2008 01:34 PM
I think that you've proven that your problem with gun ranges is a little bigger than the trail.






 
Matt from St. Charles on 08/16/2008 01:09 AM
Hearing gun fire on the Katy is already pretty common in the Weldon Springs area. Not only does the trail go through the conservation area where hunting is allowed, but there is also a police firing range on 94 that can be heard from the trail head in Weldon springs. I've also noticed many hunting blinds on the private properties that border the Katy. If someone opens another gun range near the Katy, I personally will not notice or care. I also will not be worried because the gun range is probably the safest place that someone can shoot their gun.

 
Biker from Farmington, MO on 08/19/2008 09:28 AM
And Robert, I think you've proven that you're pro-gun and damn the consequences.

 
Doug from Bluffton on 08/19/2008 04:50 PM
Robert, ignore Biker. I don't know where he arrived at that proven idea. Logic might fail him. Just wanted to let you know that others can see and think. You don't agree. No point in insults.


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Cell Phone Service--specifically T-Mobile
 -  + My wife and I will be riding the entire Katy in September. Does anyone know the extent of cell phone service--specifically T-Mobile--along the trail?
Discussion started 08/12/2008 10:18 AM by Richard - 4 replies (last reply by Richie at 08/19/2008 10:29 AM)
Richard from Marietta, GA on 08/12/2008 10:18 AM
My wife and I will be riding the entire Katy in September. Does anyone know the extent of cell phone service--specifically T-Mobile--along the trail?

 
Anonymous on 08/12/2008 12:19 PM
I have Verizon and rode from Jeff City to St Louis and had no problems getting a strong signal.

 
Anonymous on 08/14/2008 08:02 AM
I rode the entire trail in 2007 with T-mobile phone. It was not great, but not awful. Near the bigger cities I had coverage but on the trail, it was probably about 50-60 percent and even when I had coverage, it wasn't a strong signal. Still, it was better than others had.

 
Anonymous on 08/15/2008 10:14 PM
i have always had cingular / att-cingular, and never had a problem wher ei have ridden. have rode from booneville to north jefferson and st charles to past green bottoms, and defiance to augusta and never a problem.

 
Richie from St. Peters on 08/19/2008 10:29 AM
I rode from Old Town St. Charles past the biker bar in Defiance. Had cell service the whole way, although I only had 1 bar a time or two. Still worked great on T-Mobile. Everyone is pretty friendly anyway, if you have a problem.


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Big Doings in Boonville this Weekend
 -  + Great program of entertainment in Historic Boonville's Thespian Hall:
Thurs., August 21, 8:00 p.m. - Erin Bode
Fri., 8/22 - SLSO's Ching-Wen Hsiao and ensemble
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Discussion started 08/19/2008 09:37 AM by Biker - 0 replies
Biker from Farmington, MO on 08/19/2008 09:37 AM
Great program of entertainment in Historic Boonville's Thespian Hall:

Thurs., August 21, 8:00 p.m. - Erin Bode

Fri., 8/22 - SLSO's Ching-Wen Hsiao and ensemble

Sat., 8/23, - Mo River Festival Chamber Orchestra and world's best

harpist, Yoland Kondonassis

Visual artists, 42-mile bike ride, etc.

www.friendsofhistoricboonville.org


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One Day Riders and Through-Hikers
 -  + Following up on some suggestions posted here a couple of weeks ago, I am building a web page listing everyone who has ridden the Katy Trail in a single day or covered the entire...
Discussion started 07/08/2008 03:32 PM by Ray (webmaster) - 7 replies (last reply by gc at 08/19/2008 07:01 AM)
Ray (webmaster) on 07/08/2008 03:32 PM
Following up on some suggestions posted here a couple of weeks ago, I am building a web page listing everyone who has ridden the Katy Trail in a single day or covered the entire trail on foot. Yes, it can be done.



If anyone out there has accomplished either feat and you're not yet listed on that web page, please let me know. If you are listed but would like to add a paragraph or correct the details, let me know.



Obviously this information is all provided on the honor system, but I'll trust your honesty!

 
Trek on 07/08/2008 04:17 PM
Although I would not intend to take anything away from anyone who opts to walk the entire length of the trail, but I think these two events are completely different in nature. It is one thing to ride the entire trail in a single day (an apple) and it is a totaly different event (an orange) to walk each mile of the trail spread out over two or more time frames while taking side ventures to rest up at home.

 
Ray (webmaster) on 07/08/2008 04:47 PM
Agreed - either accomplishment is quite impressive, but they are two totally different animals (or fruits <g>).



Once the lists are a little more complete, I''ll probably split them into two separate web pages.

 
gc from Columbia, Mo. on 07/09/2008 12:05 PM
I agree with the separate listings thing. While I don't hang my head over just walking the whole trail, I can't even fathom riding it in one day. Those people are amazing!



And Ray, I know that DougK has done the whole trail as well as a few others.



And if we are assigning fruits, can I be a grape? ;-)

 
DougK from Troy on 07/11/2008 10:31 PM
I've always fancied pears. They're shaped just like me (ha ha)

 
Matt from St. Charles on 08/16/2008 01:11 AM
I doubt I will ever be capable of doing the entire trail in one day, but I hope to one day hike the entire Katy.

 
DougK from Troy on 08/18/2008 09:10 AM
Matt,

Take lots of practice hikes and try to work up to a one week trip to prepare. Hike the trail in sections if thru hiking isn't practical for you. You'll wonder why your doing it when you hike but trust me, you won't be sorry you did it.

 
gc from Columbia, Mo. on 08/19/2008 07:01 AM
Like Doug said....


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Dutzow Deli & Restaurant (Dutzow)
 -  + A pleasant stop on our first Katy Trail trip (22 miles). My wife and I shared a foot long deli sandwich. It was either very good or I was very hungry!
Discussion started 07/30/2008 08:56 PM by MH - 6 replies (last reply by KroolDeath at 08/17/2008 06:07 PM)
MH from Foley MO on 07/30/2008 08:56 PM
A pleasant stop on our first Katy Trail trip (22 miles). My wife and I shared a foot long deli sandwich. It was either very good or I was very hungry!

 
MH from Foley MO on 07/30/2008 08:56 PM
A pleasant stop on our first Katy Trail trip (22 miles). My wife and I shared a foot long deli sandwich. It was either very good or I was very hungry!

 
Anonymous on 08/02/2008 07:32 PM
IF you like your food sauteed in nicotine!!! We stopped there on July 7, opened the front door and immediately left. We prefer to patronize businesses on the Trail but not at the expense of our health!

 
Anonymous on 08/02/2008 07:32 PM
IF you like your food sauteed in nicotine!!! We stopped there on July 7, opened the front door and immediately left. We prefer to patronize businesses on the Trail but not at the expense of our health!

 
Doug from Bluffton on 08/09/2008 07:58 PM
Was just there. Had a good beer and sat out talking to other riders. I couldn't smell tobacco and asked several other people during the day if they had; to a man the answer was "HUH? what smell?"

 
Doug from Bluffton on 08/09/2008 07:58 PM
Was just there. Had a good beer and sat out talking to other riders. I couldn't smell tobacco and asked several other people during the day if they had; to a man the answer was "HUH? what smell?"

 
Anonymous on 08/11/2008 02:17 PM
Cigarette smoke on the porch, ashtrays on the tables. Maybe your sense of smell is so dulled you can't smell it. If someone smokes, the odor is THERE.

 
Anonymous on 08/11/2008 02:17 PM
Cigarette smoke on the porch, ashtrays on the tables. Maybe your sense of smell is so dulled you can't smell it. If someone smokes, the odor is THERE.

 
Doug from Bluffton on 08/12/2008 09:17 PM
I guess so. All the rest of the people have no sense of smell and don't have enough sense to sit outside if it did bother them. Only a finely tuned nose like yours can discern all the subtle offenses of the day.

 
Doug from Bluffton on 08/12/2008 09:17 PM
I guess so. All the rest of the people have no sense of smell and don't have enough sense to sit outside if it did bother them. Only a finely tuned nose like yours can discern all the subtle offenses of the day.

 
GB from O''Fallon on 08/13/2008 08:04 PM
My wife and I have eaten at the Dutzow Deli many times over the past several years and realy enjoy the food. My wife has asthma and is very sensitive to cigarette smoke. We've never had a problem here and will continue to frequent the deli.

 
GB from O''Fallon on 08/13/2008 08:04 PM
My wife and I have eaten at the Dutzow Deli many times over the past several years and realy enjoy the food. My wife has asthma and is very sensitive to cigarette smoke. We've never had a problem here and will continue to frequent the deli.

 
KroolDeath from O'Fallon on 08/17/2008 06:07 PM
I think anonymous had their nose stuck so far up in the air they smelled something the rest of us have not!

 
KroolDeath from O'Fallon on 08/17/2008 06:07 PM
I think anonymous had their nose stuck so far up in the air they smelled something the rest of us have not!


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Weldon Springs Connection
 -  + All Summer I noticed a new trail being built that connects to the Katy trail in Weldon Springs,
near the conservation area. Today I started to ride on it and noticed fresh sod and creeks.
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Discussion started 08/16/2008 07:47 PM by waddup - 1 reply (last reply by ps at 08/17/2008 12:45 PM)
waddup from St. Charles on 08/16/2008 07:47 PM
All Summer I noticed a new trail being built that connects to the Katy trail in Weldon Springs,

near the conservation area. Today I started to ride on it and noticed fresh sod and creeks.

What is the name of this trail and what does it connect to?

 
ps from St. Charles on 08/17/2008 12:45 PM
It connects to the Research Park in Weldon Spring.


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New Trail?
 -  + I passed some construction around mm52 the other day. There's a nice path off the trail leading to a long brown bridge. Does anyone know if this is a new section?
Discussion started 08/15/2008 11:49 PM by DougK - 2 replies (last reply by ps at 08/17/2008 12:43 PM)
DougK from Troy on 08/15/2008 11:49 PM
I passed some construction around mm52 the other day. There's a nice path off the trail leading to a long brown bridge. Does anyone know if this is a new section?

 
Ken from St. Charles on 08/16/2008 04:24 PM
I think you're asking about the trail addressed in this thread.



http://www.bikekatytrail.com/talk.aspx?thid=2308¬efmt=1&sortby=0&pg=2

 
ps from St. Charles on 08/17/2008 12:43 PM
My son and I rode this today. It goes to the Research Park in Weldon

Springs. It was a mile or two. I am trying to figure out where it will go from there.


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High Street Victorian
 -  + The Columbia Trib has a great article about this new Bed & Breakfast.
Find it at;
http://columbiatribune.com/2008/Aug/20080816Busi010.asp


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Anonymous from columbia on 08/16/2008 01:23 PM
The Columbia Trib has a great article about this new Bed & Breakfast.

Find it at;

http://columbiatribune.com/2008/Aug/20080816Busi010.asp





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How bad are the mosquitoes while biking the Katy Trail?
 -  + For our family vacation, we are thinking of biking the entire Katy Trail. How bad are the mosquitoes along the way? Just worried about the bugs ruining the ride especially with such a wet spring/summe...
Discussion started 07/27/2008 01:33 PM by Ben - 5 replies (last reply by Matt at 08/16/2008 12:13 AM)
Ben from Neosho on 07/27/2008 01:33 PM
For our family vacation, we are thinking of biking the entire Katy Trail. How bad are the mosquitoes along the way? Just worried about the bugs ruining the ride especially with such a wet spring/summer season this year. We have never ridden the trail, so wondering if someone who has can tell us.

 
cunninghamair from O''Fallon, MO on 07/27/2008 02:25 PM
Not bad while you are moving. We don't usually wear bug spray. However, we picked the

wrong spot to stop on the side of the trail the other morning and got attacked. We rode

onto the next trailhead and had no problem when we stopped there. My husband's guess is

they spray at the trailheads. It doesn't hurt to carry spray in case you need it--I will from

now on!

 
Anonymous on 07/27/2008 09:43 PM
It sounds strange but original Listerine works great. I use the store brand on my grandchild, no bites:-) I put it in a spray bottle. It doesn't leave your skin sticky like regular spray....

 
Marvin Winston from Maumelle on 07/28/2008 12:36 PM
Ben,



I did the entire trail last week with my 3 small boys and there was no problem unless you stop in certain areas (shade). We had a flat and as soon as we stopped we were attacked. Luckly we had some deep woods off and they were gone soon. I hate those pesky critters but don't let them keep you from going.

 
Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/29/2008 11:50 AM
I'd get a combination sunscreen/insect repellent in lotion form. Helps control coverage. Before Coppertone discontinued it, my husband and I swore by it. We're trying the spray Bullfrog Mosquito Coast now, but it's not as good. With spray, it's a big difficult not to inhale or ingest it, and it doesn't provide a good sense of complete coverage. That, and I feel like I'm sweating it off.

 
Matt from St. Charles on 08/16/2008 12:13 AM
I've never had problems with mosquitoes on the Katy. I'm sure there are a lot at night, but the trail is not open at night so I don't have to worry about that. I couple of my friends told me about riding through short sections with locusts flying every where, but I've never experienced it.


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Peers store is a great stop
 -  + We only bought water and gatorade, but they were open at 9 on a Wed when we needed it.
They have everything including breakfast, lunch and ice cream! We'll be back. Thank you.
Discussion started 08/09/2008 01:41 PM by cunninghamair - 2 replies (last reply by Matt at 08/15/2008 11:45 PM)
cunninghamair from O''Fallon, MO on 08/09/2008 01:41 PM
We only bought water and gatorade, but they were open at 9 on a Wed when we needed it.

They have everything including breakfast, lunch and ice cream! We'll be back. Thank you.

 
Anonymous from Norwalk, IA on 08/12/2008 12:31 PM
I totally agree! We stayed overnight in one of the bedrooms above the store and it was very adequate and economical if you're just looking for a place to crash after a day on the trail. The owner is awesome and very accomodating.

 
Matt from St. Charles on 08/15/2008 11:45 PM
I have stopped at the store in Peers once. If you need food or drink and you are between Matson and Treloar, I would recommend this place because the shopkeeper was very friendly. It seemed like five dollars went along way. They also refilled our water bottles.


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 -  + This is my favorite part of the trail. It is paved and parallels hwy 364 for about 2 miles then
circles around Creeve Core Lake. There is always sail boats and people playing on the
beach. It'...
Discussion started 08/10/2008 12:52 AM by Blake - 5 replies (last reply by Matt at 08/15/2008 11:33 PM)
Blake from St. Peters on 08/10/2008 12:52 AM
This is my favorite part of the trail. It is paved and parallels hwy 364 for about 2 miles then

circles around Creeve Core Lake. There is always sail boats and people playing on the

beach. It's beautiful. It totals about 7 miles. small amount of construction detouring the

trail but i always like a good detour.

PS a funny thing happened on that trail to me. I was riding along minding my own business when a bird swooped down and grabbed at my head. now i dont wear a helmet

but after that occurrence i started considering it. The bird was like many others seen

around this trail. It was all black with a small amount of red/ orange coloration close to

the head. anyway dont let that discourage you from enjoying this beautiful trail, because

like i said it's my favorite.

 
Anonymous on 08/11/2008 02:15 PM
Ah, the infamous Red Wing Blackbird. There are very territorial and well known for buzzing riders. Got me several times last year.



Get a helmet, no reason to be a premature organ donor.

 
Anonymous on 08/11/2008 02:34 PM
This is very common this time of the year when birds are raising young.

 
cunninghamair from O'Fallon, MO on 08/11/2008 04:54 PM
Yep, saw one swoop down from it's nest and take a shot at my husband riding in front of

me!

 
GB from O''''Fallon on 08/13/2008 08:08 PM
If you're lucky you may even spot some of the deer that live in the park. I was riding in the park last year and was a bit startled by a pair of deer a few feet off of the trail.

 
Matt from St. Charles on 08/15/2008 11:33 PM
I enjoy riding the page extension bike trail to the lake. Sometimes when you pass through the tunnel between the bridge and the lake, the birds will fly through there with you. I am not sure if the birds are in control of their flight enough to avoid me or if I have been lucky, but I have yet to be hit. Usually, when I ride this trail, I park at the trail head on Greens Bottom road so I can ride a little bit of the Katy Trail also. The Lake House has great fruit smoothies if you have time for a break.


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High Street Victorian
 -  + Very Nice! Wonderful Stay (23rd -24th)and great food!
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