Katy Trail Forum

My husband and I just returned from two day trip on katy trail. Our first ride, we were unaware that riders approaching from behind you are undetectable until they are right on top of you. Please if approaching from behind let the people in front know you are coming and your intentions. Two riders attempted to pass us with no warning and my husband tried to get out of their way, hitting my front wheel. Crash - I ended up riding 8 miles with a bleeding knee and shoulder. Got stitches in ER. Lesson learned - watch out

in front, along side and behind you.

Sorry about your accident. That's really awful. My husband and I have rearview mirrors on our handlebars, which are a godsend when there's heavy traffic.

For overtaking riders: You are supposed to call out "On your left" BEFORE passing someone, be they riders or pedestrians. It is best to do so as soon as you think the person you will pass could possibly hear you in order to give them time to respond with no unneccessary haste. It also gives the person passing time to slow or stop in case they are not heard. The person passing is responsible for a safe maneuver.

So sorry to hear about your accedent! Riding the Katy is the most spiritual and awesome experience and it is too bad your were hit by another rider. I ride the trail every 2-3 weeks and ride it fast and never have come close to running into anyone. Common courtesy would be for the other rider to yell out and make sure you awknowledged and then go left of you. It's a bummer what happened to you but don't let that stop you and do the Katy again!

Sorry about what happened to you. Trust me, lack of courtesy is the exception and not the rule on the Katy. Keep riding the Katy and I guarantee you’ll meet 99 super people that will make up for those less courteous users.

We're going to be riding the trail this fall so have been reading all the posts for info and thought I'd add my two cents. I'm a BIG proponent of using bells on bikes for letting people know you're passing. I have a bit of a hard time hearing low ranges especially with wind noise. Even an "on your left" is hard to hear if the biker's voice is a bit deep. Bells are almost always loud and clear and can usually be heard even if the person you're passing is using headphones. In my humble opinion.

The longbike has such a small dash the light and gps is about all that fits, so I've grown used to just yelling out when on it. We've the OEM bell on the Trek half-bikes and they seem to work well too. I think the key is to be audible with either.

I'm sorry, but if you are hard of hearing or have your ipod turned up to the point where you can't hear someone yelling on your left, you really should be more aware of your surroundings. Even though it is the responsibility of the person who is passing to pass safely, the person being passed still has some responsibility to ride safely and not be stuck in the same sort of tunnel vision I see many drivers on the road as having.

Have to add my two cents. I cannot tell you the number of times that I have yelled "passing on the left" to walkers and had one (or more) of them jump in front of me, or move to the center of the trail, because they are startled. So often walkers (more than one) are so engrossed in conversation that they are startled, and for some reason they think that:

1. I am telling them to move to the left.

2. They don't know their left from their right.

3. They are trying to get off the trail to let me pass, and are crossing in front of me to do it.

So often, GROUPS of walkers just don't pay enough attention. They need to be MUCH more aware of their surroundings, and understand that bikers are going faster than they are, so however quickly they try to cross in front of us, it's just going to "muck up" the situation.

Just please, when someone yells "passing on the left", stay to the RIGHT. And if you don't know which is your right, maybe you should stay off the trail.

Very true Kim. I wonder if it's because riders cover so much more ground....usually many different trails, roads, etc. that they are more in tune with trail etiquette and/or road rules than the average local out for a stroll on their backyard trail. We had the longbike out on a local trail last week and approached a older couple walking three dogs. I announced that we were "On your left!" and watched the man get completely off the trail while the woman froze in her tracks on the right side with little Fee Fee at the end of the leash on the left. With the whole trail blocked, we had to come to a complete stop for her to gain her bearings and tug on the lead to get Fee Fee to move. She appogized and I told her "No problem" and we rode on. A short time later we were approaching the same couple again and I announced that we were on their left. The man flipped out, nearly busted a vain yelling at the top of his lungs....."Oh....everyone look out....here comes another G%# D$@% bicycle! Why don't you shove that #$$%# thing up your...." so and so forth. We rode on declining his invitation to turn the bike around and go back. I chalk it up to a newbie trail walker who had no idea that trail etiquette or road rules existed or applied. Some trails are marked with rules and regulation and I think it would be nice if they all were, so everyone knew what to expect. It could save some old dude from pop'n a vain too.

Ok, now for my two cents: As a hiker and a newbie cyclist, I have had problems with both walkers and riders at times. Lets not blow this out of proportion. For every story about groups of walkers blocking bikes, there are stories of cyclists thinking they are Greg LeMond and Lance Armstrong sprinting side by side to the finish and nearly running over everything in their path. I have had walkers get cranky with me on my bike, and riders get bit#*#* when I have walked. It could be, but I doubt it is, just me.

EVERYONE should just try to be a little more aware of their surroundings and considerate of others. Hmmmmm, that kind of translates to the rest of the world, too, I guess.

Much as it pains me to say it but we might have to have Rangers on the trail ticketing idiots. Or perhaps we could print up some "Trail rules" that would be available at trail heads or online that we could simply hand to someone unaware and smile, say "have a nice day" and then ride on knowing full well that the recipient is incapable of comprehending the message. We however, have done our part to improve trail courtesy and go our merry way at peace with the world.

A somewhat more adversarial way would be to stop them and ask them if they drive down the left side of the road into an oncoming Mack truck. Although this might provide a great deal of cosmic relief for the one asking, it is unlikely to provide any insight to the offensive person.

No, no matter how you look at it you are engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. There are no outcomes that will feel fulfilling to you. Accept this fact and tell the offending person you wish them the ability to defecate without soiling themselves and go on about your business. It is a small gesture but may bring good to the world.

The trail is for everyone, thus the term PUBLIC so we should all be considerate of each other. Try singing kumbaya next time and get over it. I’m done because my finger hurts from all this typing.

as much as i have enjoyed readin the comments, and attempting to look at both sides of the situation, lets face it folks, this go on for months and never solve a thing. other than gettin our frustation off our chest, no matter whaether you are a walker / hiker, biker, or ridin a (hay burner)horse, there is gonna be people you royally tick you off no matter what you do. if you are courteous, which i have found that 99.9% of the people are, people will find fault with that. if you chose to be a royal horses back side, then some folks will have a problem with that to. so basically, you be stuck between a rock and a hard place. best thing to do, enjoy the trail and be safe.



happy bikin / hikin folks. be safe and have a nice day.

I ride the Katy 2-3 times a week and am always amazed by the people that ride or walk 2 or 3 ACROSS the trail. I wouldn't mind it if people were cognizant of who's behind them, but unfornately a lot of people are in their own world, which is obvious when some are absolutely startled by my "On Your Left" announcement. That said people need to be aware that proper trail etiquette is to always stay on the RIGHT side of the trail.

"unfornately a lot of people are in their own world"



Ah, but for a lot of people that is exacty the point. They enjoy just meandering on the trail and taking in all of the little things that make the outdoors great. Really......how much trouble is it for a biker to slow down and manuver around a gaggle of walkers or parents with kids etc?

So it’s not possible for people to be “in their own world“ on the right side of the trail? Are they somehow exempt from the rules? Please explain. This is how accidents unfortunately happen. If everyone obeys the rules, it’s a win-win for all and accidents aren’t as prone. It’s not a cyclist’s responsibility to maneuver around a “gaggle” of people rudely occupying 3/4 of the trail. It is EVERYONE’S responsibility to be cognizant of their surroundings and stay on the right when cyclists/walker/runners are in front or behind them.

I don't mind manuevering around walkers or other (slower) bikers. I have to echo the sentiment of "pay attention to your surroundings", no matter how you are getting down the road/trail. I have taken my kids on the trail, and I must have told them "stay to the right" about 100 times per trip. The fact is that kids have a harder time remembering, and it is the responsibility of the adults to teach them trail ettiquette.



That being said, I cannot tell you how many times I get angry as a driver in the KC area, at bikers who are riding towards me (on their left)and ignore traffic signals, etc. I get angry because they make a bad name for bikers riding on the road in general.



It is the responsibility (yes, I know, it's not a popular word) of everyone to know the rules of the road (or trail) and follow them. The world would be a better place if we all just took on our own responsibilities.

"It’s not a cyclist’s responsibility to maneuver around a “gaggle” of people rudely occupying 3/4 of the trail."



Sorry.....fraid it is. The following is from the parks website.



RIGHT-OF-WAY. When approaching oncoming users, always move to the right of the trail. Always pass on the left side, and make your intentions known by announcing your approach. Bicyclists should yield to pedestrians. Everyone should yield to horseback riders.

Jim, you're just repeating what I've been saying - people need stay over on the right, pass on the left. It's simple Trail Etiquette 101. If these rules are followed then there will be no need to manuever around people and risk someone getting hurt.



BTW - If you look at all the rules on the MO parks website, you'll note that it is stated To Be Aware of Your Surroundings. It goes without saying that this includes people who are “in their own world" which you conveniently did not address in your response to me.

I actually agree with y'all......it's just I understand that there will always be people that don't pay attention and I just don't think it's anything to get that worked up over. If you come up on them, slow down, paste a grin on your face as you pass them and then resume your ride. If you want a real test.....ride from JC to Herman in October when the Church at Starkenburg is walking their retreat. Forget about 3 or 4 people....this thing has people wall-to-wall on the trail for a hundred yards.

Quite right Jim, But they will move if notified(granted it's very difficult for them all to hear) and will even pray for your safe passage. Bonus being that not one will curse you as you pass. I live on and ride the trail daily and when they are out I am amazed at how well they respond to me as opposed to other riders and walkers on the trail. Yes I have to slow down considerably but there is an obvious effort on their part to make room and be aware of my safety. Far more I am afraid, than some of the members of my own riding community. God Speed.

I think the pilgrimage has matured as the years go by. The first year we came upon it from behind and did the standard "on your left" callout they scattered like quail in every direction. It was an exciting few seconds for all involved.

I've ridden the trail a few times but mainly the road. Here are my thoughts: I believe the trail is used mainly as a nature/leisure trail. One can't fully appreciate the surroundings if you are buzzing down the trail full-tilt. As such, pedestrians always have the right of way. If we, as cyclists, want to be portrayed in a favorable light, we need to remember that. If you want to go to St.Charles to Clinton as fast as you can, use the roads.

Paul,

Good call. I'd like to encourage all runners like my wife and hikers like me to enjoy the trail but try to pay attention to traffic.

Can anyone tell me if the trees have started to turn yet along the trail? I want to get down there when the colors are at their best. I'm just not sure when that is.

Just got back from a 263 mile round trip loop on the Katy last night 09/12- some leaves are falling, but haven't started to turn yet.

pegs & rik's

If you come around the middle of October, that should be a good time to see the leaves.

This by far was my favorite Bed and Breakfast on the trail. What a wonderful place and host and hostess. Breakfast was great and their hospitality was wonderful. Planning on staying there again when in Augusta.

This by far was my favorite Bed and Breakfast on the trail. What a wonderful place and host and hostess. Breakfast was great and their hospitality was wonderful. Planning on staying there again when in Augusta.

Great Hamburgers, plus the price was great. Can't wait to do a day trip to Marthasville for the Hamburgers again.

Joan and Al

Great Hamburgers, plus the price was great. Can't wait to do a day trip to Marthasville for the Hamburgers again.

Joan and Al

Great place to stay. This is our second time to stay at The Meyer House and everything was great, hospitality, sleeping quarters, and of course the breakfast with homemade oatmeal pancakes,apple crisp, oj-fresh,more, and more.

Hope to return soon.

Joan and Al

Great place to stay. This is our second time to stay at The Meyer House and everything was great, hospitality, sleeping quarters, and of course the breakfast with homemade oatmeal pancakes,apple crisp, oj-fresh,more, and more.

Hope to return soon.

Joan and Al

The room was clean and cozy. Yes, we could only get frozen pizza at the Bar and Grill, but it was better than the Honey and Oat bars in my bag.

We had breakfast at the cafe on Wed morning, which was very good,plus we had some turkey wraps made up for traveling with us for lunch. Thank goodness we did that, as there was not much between Hartsburg and Hermann.

Joan and Al

The room was clean and cozy. Yes, we could only get frozen pizza at the Bar and Grill, but it was better than the Honey and Oat bars in my bag.

We had breakfast at the cafe on Wed morning, which was very good,plus we had some turkey wraps made up for traveling with us for lunch. Thank goodness we did that, as there was not much between Hartsburg and Hermann.

Joan and Al

Penny:

Al and I had a great stay at Garden Gate Bed and Breakfast. Your hospitality, home, and breakfast were perfect, especially for bikers.

Hope to see you soon.

Joan

Penny:

Al and I had a great stay at Garden Gate Bed and Breakfast. Your hospitality, home, and breakfast were perfect, especially for bikers.

Hope to see you soon.

Joan

My wife and I decided to do a little expedtion for our 1oth anniversary and take a ride on the Katy. We started at the Sedalia Depot on aug 1st and rode 50 plus ,miles to Rocheport for our nites stay at the Schoolhouse BB. My wife thought we were riding "uphill the whole way thru Clifton City, Pilot Grove. Should have probabley stopped in Boonville for the nite because she was "done" right there.

Those last 15miles into Rocheport I thought I was going to have to go indian and cut a couple of poles, make a stretcher and tie her to my mule, drag her the rest of the way!!! Anyone met "Al" at the Clfton City depot??? We met him coming and going, he seemed to come out of nowhere!!! Offered us water from a jug and was good for some conversation!! Great guy!! We logged 111.44 miles in our 3 day excursion... I personally enjoyed the whole trail except maybe the section from New Franklin to Rocheport. I cant wait to do another section... feel like I should be riding again today...maybe going thru withdrawals or post heat exhaustion???

I ran into Al also. He's quite a character, but very informative.

We ran into Al at Clifton City too. He was very informative about the history of that section of the trail, enjoyed a great 30 minute conversation with him. As far as the uphill, Rick & I did it east and then back west on a 6 day round trip from Sedalia to Hermann, believe me it is not uphill on the way to Booneville but it is all the way back to Sedalia. Look at the elevation chart, we climbed over 200 feet from Booneville to Sedalia.

Rick & I just got back from a 6 day/5 night Sedalia to Hermann and back ride, stayed at the Globe Hotel on our second night. It was great, Jeanette goes out of her way to make you feel comfortable. She is doing a great job of caring for this old historical home/hotel and it shows. She made a great breakfast including cinnamon rolls (mmmmm), apple and oatmeal muffins, coffe was great. And she packed some of the muffins for our trek onward - which we devoured rather quickly because there wasn't alot available between Hartsburg & Hermann. Recommend the Globe in Hartsburg.

This place has fairly new owners Maggie and George. We had picked up steaks at Loutre Market which we grilled on their grill, while Maggie made us a salad and shared a bottle of wine, that we picked up in Herman. After dinner we sat on the porch swing and watched the hummingbirds and enjoyed the scenery. Then after dark we relaxed in the hot tub under the stars. We had a wonderful breakfast included fried potatoes with eggs, plus. This was our last night on the trail and the best night we had. Thank you Maggie (George, we are looking forward to meeting you next time.)

This place has fairly new owners Maggie and George. We had picked up steaks at Loutre Market which we grilled on their grill, while Maggie made us a salad and shared a bottle of wine, that we picked up in Herman. After dinner we sat on the porch swing and watched the hummingbirds and enjoyed the scenery. Then after dark we relaxed in the hot tub under the stars. We had a wonderful breakfast included fried potatoes with eggs, plus. This was our last night on the trail and the best night we had. Thank you Maggie (George, we are looking forward to meeting you next time.)

We didn't get here until after 5:00 pm and Lucy had a meeting to go to, but after a quick shower she took us to the local bar for dinner. Breakfast was a full breakfast with fruit, eggs, bacon, and homemade bisquits. Lucy was very friendly and willing to help us with the little things like drying some clothes for us. Loutre Lane B&B is worth the climb up the hill.

We didn't get here until after 5:00 pm and Lucy had a meeting to go to, but after a quick shower she took us to the local bar for dinner. Breakfast was a full breakfast with fruit, eggs, bacon, and homemade bisquits. Lucy was very friendly and willing to help us with the little things like drying some clothes for us. Loutre Lane B&B is worth the climb up the hill.

By the time we got here we were very hungry and lunch of a cheese steak sandwich tasted like the best meal we had in a while.

By the time we got here we were very hungry and lunch of a cheese steak sandwich tasted like the best meal we had in a while.

The room at the Inn was a great price for a roomy clean place to sleep. We knew the bar didn't open until 4 pm, but when we got there, the oven was broken and all we could get in town was frozen pizza. We had warm cookies soon after we arrived and popcorn for an eveing snack, but not much of a breakfast, which did't help much since dinner the night before didn't provide much needed protein.

The room at the Inn was a great price for a roomy clean place to sleep. We knew the bar didn't open until 4 pm, but when we got there, the oven was broken and all we could get in town was frozen pizza. We had warm cookies soon after we arrived and popcorn for an eveing snack, but not much of a breakfast, which did't help much since dinner the night before didn't provide much needed protein.

We didn't see any signs of tipi camping, but we did go in the trading post where we found a very nice bead necklace. We then sat on the benches out front and had our lunch that we brought from Rochport.

We didn't see any signs of tipi camping, but we did go in the trading post where we found a very nice bead necklace. We then sat on the benches out front and had our lunch that we brought from Rochport.

We saw at least a dozen dogs along the trail. Most weren't a problem but some came running up barking. We saw a sign somewhere east of Portland for a scenic overlook. We decided to check it out and were met by two large black labs. I actually broadsided one of them (luckily no wipe out) and my nephew was run off the road.

Enjoy the trail for what it is.

Those dogs SOUND ferocious but are actually very friendly. They could easily however knock you down wanting to be petted. One is only a visitor but the owner has been advised and is keeping them under control. He was sincerely upset when told and has taken immediate action.

What action did he take? If someone on a bicycle broadsided my dog I'd want to hurt that person too, but I was always told to count to 10 to calm down and that usually seems to do the trick.

Maybe the owner should just put a big bright orange collar on the black lab so bicyclists can see him better, or maybe bicyclists should slow down so they don't hurt animals.

If your animals are that important to you, then keep them under control and off the street. A dog can knock a cyclist down no matter how slow they are riding, even stopped. It is the OWNER of the dog that is responsible and LIABLE for damages.

Doug,



Have you rode the trail? Asking that dogs along a 235 mile trail through farm country be keep were they can't get on the trial is not going to happen. Many of the dogs are small town dogs and are feed by many and owned by no one. Other dogs just come and go as they please. Their owners are good people, but view their dogs differently than city folks.

But what action did the owner take? Is the owner mad at the dogs??? Please don't tell me he is planning to put them down? Like I said I would be angry if someone broadsided my dog, but there is no way I would harm my dog.

The owner of the dogs is not mad at them. Neither am I and as for as I could tell the person that started this thread wasn't all that mad at the dogs. THEY WERE NOT ON THE TRAIL! They were on a HIGHWAY! Dogs do not belong on a highway. They are a hazard to cylists pedestrians and motor vehicles. They also do not belong on the trail free roaming. It is against the law.

To answer another question; the owner has been keeping them under direct control. He has either kept them in his yard or house or under direct voice commands. As any RESPONSIBLE owner does. Dogs that do not have an owner are like any other feral animal and become carriers of disease and a threat to the health of humans and other animals alike. The days of letting your animals run free and become a nuisance to others has passed. If you want to let them roam on YOUR land feel free. You do not however, have any right to let them run on others property and be the cause of damages to them and theirs. A person indeed has a right to own pets. That person then also has a responsibility to properly care for that animal: Because others have a right to own propery and travel on public thoroughfares free of threat of harm or damage from your pet.

In short, behave in a manner that reflects a desire to be a semi-literate, compassionate human being that recognizes the rights of others. Oh, and learn the english language.

Most dogs along the trail lead a boring life so the prospect of chasing a bicyclist adds a bit of excitement to their life. I have found that applying the back brake while growling "bad dog" scares them off.

I frequently notice dogs when I am riding west of Augusta. I've never stopped to bother them, but I have never been bothered by them either. Most of them seem like curious farm dogs, and none have seemed ferocious.

Wow, I didn't expect this type of lively conversation. I originally posted this just to let people beware and maybe carry some type of spray just in case. I wasn't mad at the dogs but it was a little unnerving. The dog ran right in front of me trying to chase my nephew, I was braking hard when I hit the dog. No harm done but just be prepared.

Interestingly enough, although I have encountered many "free roaming" dogs on the Katy, the only time I've been bitten was on the Little Blue Trace here in Independence, and that was a dog ON A LEASH.

The owners were out behind a hotel at the end of the trail, had the dog on a long leash, and apparently didn't know how to control the dog.

Luckily the dog only got a mouthful of my rigid biking shoe, but when I asked them to please control their dog, as it could more severly injure someone else, particularly families with kids who like to hike that trail, I was given an earful of colorful language (in front of their kids) and told that I had no business bothering them.

These days, I get the pepper spray out when I see a dog on any trail and have it ready. I'm guessing that one dose of that will cure a dog of chasing walkers or bikers...

Good advice on the pepper spray. Get the largest one you can carry. Aim for the eyes and nose. Be aware of the wind direction. This stuff stings.

I've encountered several dogs on the trail. I will always carry my pepper spray, but as yet, have never had to use it.

Doug,



It is not against the law to let your dogs run free out in the country.



-Robert

Robert, read again. I said it is against the law to let dogs run free ON THE TRAIL.

As a dog owner on the Katy Trail, as well as a landowner that lost land to the Trail, I would like to point out that many riders call our dogs to follow them. Yes, they actually see the dogs on our property, stop, and call to the dogs or give them a handout. They think they are being friendly, but it does create a major problem. My dog followed riders (who called to her first) 7 miles to Portland, got lost coming home, was attacked by a bobcat and ended up running another 12 miles until someonw we know spotted her and alerted us so that she could get medical attention. She is now a full time inside dog...which is unfortunate as we have over 200 acres for her to roam. Yes, we are responsible for our dogs, but we must all work together.

Doug,



Sorry.



-Robert

Robert, accepted, stop for a cold drink when you ride by Doug

Although we are not cyclists, I want to point out that the High Street Victorian is a short, half block from the awesome Katy Trail. Even without a bike, the Trail is a delight to walk -- especially if you get on it on Spring Street and walk south. Very beautiful!



Innkeeper Kriss Royer cuts no corners using the freshest local ingredients whenever possible. Fresh sausages from the local butcher. Fresh eggs delivered by the egg man. She apologized for using Bisquick for her indescribably delicious biscuits and gravy. I’ll give her a big pass on that one! Breakfast can either be eaten at the beautiful dining room table, or outside on the leafy green patio. We opted to eat inside, peppering Kriss with many questions about the house, their kids, and life in general.



I feel like I'm gushing here, but believe me; it's from the heart. If you are staying in Central Missouri or biking the Katy Trail, and want a B&B that exceeds your expectations and much more than delights. Please give Kriss and Gene a call at the High Street Victorian,

Boonville, MO!



Bob and Susan Rhein

Fullerton, CA

bobrhein@att.net

That half block from the trail is especially nice if you want to walk on the bridge and watch the beautiful sunsets Boonville has, or just walk the trail as you did! We have discovered that after a full days ride or activities, all are hungry. We try to do our best for both the 'riders' and the hikers in the food department! Thanks so much for your comment.

My daughter and I had a wonderful trip along the KATY trail from Rocheport to St. Charles this past July. The only bad experience was being attacked by a very frightening dog near Blufton. At the Blufton stop, a sign on the trail directs you off the trail to a dirt road leading to a scenic overlook. We decided to ride up that road when a big black dog emereged from the first house and literally chased us several hundred feet up the road continuallly snapping at our bikes, legs, etc. There were actually two dogs, but the small one did not pursue us. On the way back, the same large dog chased us again and actually got his mouth on my thigh as I was trying to ride past him and caused me to lose my balance. We both yelled and kicked at him, but he was not deterred and no one ever came out of the house. People should not be directed off the trail and up that road until that dog is secured.

Thanks for the heads up. We're passing through there this weekend.

Did you read the comments from "Who let the dogs out?" My uncle left a comment because

we had the exact same problem when we were on the trail late July. I feel very sorry for you

because it was very frightening for me as well. It doesn't make me want to ever trust a

scenic overlook sign again. I was sure the only scenery I would be seeing was a hospital bed

when that dog had the fury of hell in his growl and ran me off the side of the road into the

ditch. That experience ruined an otherwise great trip. The owner should be ashamed.

Carry pepper spray. Dismount your bike and place it between you and the dog. Spray dog in face. Or try to outrun dog on your bike. Goodluck on that. Make a complaint to the local sheriffs department.

The people who own these dogs have been informed repeatedly, and will thankfully will have moved away by Oct. 1, 2008. They are not mean dogs, actually the big black in question is just a really huge puppy named Baily. As a mom of two small children, I can appreciate your anxiety, and assure you that means have been taken to stop these dogs. If you have a real complaint, call Joan or Brian at 573-236-4816.

We had a wonderful lunch there on Sunday. The atmosphere is unique and the people very friendly. Since we were riding the trail and food places are nonexistent or closed on Monday’s, they packed up some sandwiches for us to take with us for along the trail. Really like this place.

We had a wonderful lunch there on Sunday. The atmosphere is unique and the people very friendly. Since we were riding the trail and food places are nonexistent or closed on Monday’s, they packed up some sandwiches for us to take with us for along the trail. Really like this place.

Stayed at the Hotel Frederick and wanted breakfast for evening meal. (This place was across the intersection. ) The food was good and the service very friendly.

Stayed at the Hotel Frederick and wanted breakfast for evening meal. (This place was across the intersection. ) The food was good and the service very friendly.

Very nicely renovated historic hotel. Extremely friendly staff, who stored our bikes in a room locked room on the first floor. The rooms were comfy with neat glass tiled shower bath. Would highly recommend.

Very nicely renovated historic hotel. Extremely friendly staff, who stored our bikes in a room locked room on the first floor. The rooms were comfy with neat glass tiled shower bath. Would highly recommend.

Easy access from the trail and about the only place to get food. The service was friendly. Average bar food.

Easy access from the trail and about the only place to get food. The service was friendly. Average bar food.

My husband and I along with a neighbor couple stayed one night in the Bothwell before we headed out on our trip on the Katy Trail. The rooms were clean and comfortable and the staff was very friendly. The meal in the Ivory Grill was fantastic. We would definitely recommend the Hotel Bothwell and the Ivory Grill.

My husband and I along with a neighbor couple stayed one night in the Bothwell before we headed out on our trip on the Katy Trail. The rooms were clean and comfortable and the staff was very friendly. The meal in the Ivory Grill was fantastic. We would definitely recommend the Hotel Bothwell and the Ivory Grill.

Have a three day trip planned from St. Charles to Clinton starting 10/10/08. How is the trail holding up with all the rain that Missouri has had lately.

I believe the trail should be okay. I know of some minor wash board section between Franklin and Hwy 87. It is between MM 189 & 190. Very easy to negotiate.

Warning- Jim's Bar and Grill is NOT open on Sundays. I had even called ahead to verify but was mighty disappointed when we got to Tebbetts for our designated lunch stop on Sunday and they were not open. Plan accordingly.

Wow! What can I say. This place is wonderful. Maggie and Eldon were really great hosts. My mom and I were doing a bike trek halfway across Missouri and stayed her. They were very close to the trail and drove us to and from Hermann. Their breakfast was absolutely delicious. I can't believe how good it was - Peddle Power is what it gave us. I loved it so much, my fiance and I are coming back in November just for the breakfast and hospitality! Definately recommended.

My wife and I stopped in to "Dotty's" yesterday. After we sat down we had glasses of water in front of us quickly and then without even requesting it our water bottles were filled with ice water! The food was great, great atmosphere, and the service was the best we've seen in a long, long time. We plan on taking some of our cyclist friends there soon. But either way we'll be back. It was good enough we bought a pair of "Dotty's" mugs.

My wife and I stopped in to "Dotty's" yesterday. After we sat down we had glasses of water in front of us quickly and then without even requesting it our water bottles were filled with ice water! The food was great, great atmosphere, and the service was the best we've seen in a long, long time. We plan on taking some of our cyclist friends there soon. But either way we'll be back. It was good enough we bought a pair of "Dotty's" mugs.

Make sure you call ahead. Dotty's was closed when we passed through despite their posted hours. Would have loved to try their food. Ended up at the Hitching Post...pretty good food, great atmosphere.

Make sure you call ahead. Dotty's was closed when we passed through despite their posted hours. Would have loved to try their food. Ended up at the Hitching Post...pretty good food, great atmosphere.

Just a heads up. If you can't reach the owner to get checked in (work calls him away sometimes), Dotty's cafe has keys, as does the house between Dotty's and the winery. We can check you in and get you set up.



Safe travels,

Bud

There is lodging at some caboose in Hartsburg?? Please advise contact or website information. Thanks.

As many of you probably know, there is a house on the Katy trail right before you get to the HWY 40 bridge if you are going west where you can usually see Peacocks while riding by. I decided to make a topic out of this for those who do not ride this area often so they will be sure to keep a look out for these cool birds, and also, I have always been curious about why the people that own the Peacocks have so many. Regardless of why they have them, I am glad they do.

I ride the Katy at least once weekly. A few months ago, my friend and I nearly ran over an albino peacock which was sitting smack in the middle of the trail. Apparently it had escaped from the farm, or flown the coop, whichever the case may be. The bird did not move as we passed it, though it did not look injured, just stubbornly stuck to it's little patch of the Katy almost like it was nesting. We warned other riders we came across heading in the peacock's direction to "Watch out for the peacock!" since light filtering through the trees made it difficult to see the poor thing laying there. You can imagine the backward looks we got.

You might mention in what county this is located in because the Katy Trail goes under Hwy 40 in Howard County and there are no houses anywhere near there.

The farm where the peacocks are is very near the Hwy. 40 bridge in St. Charles County. I ride the trail several times a week and love to listen to the peacocks calling to each other.