CCW prohibited on trail
- + According to the DNR, carrying concealed weapons is prohibited in Missouri's State Parks, which would include the Katy Trail.
I respect Ray (webmaster) for shutting down the quickly-deteriorati...
Discussion started 07/10/2008 10:30 AM by Biker - 11 replies (last reply by anonymous at 07/14/2008 04:23 PM)Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/10/2008 10:30 AM
According to the DNR, carrying concealed weapons is prohibited in Missouri's State Parks, which would include the Katy Trail.
I respect Ray (webmaster) for shutting down the quickly-deteriorating "gunrange" topic, but thought this might be OK to submit in terms of information, since several in the other topic were talking about how they bike CCW, or were looking forward to carrying their guns on the trail.
Hope that's OK.
Bike Cop from KCMO on 07/10/2008 05:06 PM
After reading the rules and regs on the MO DNR website, all I found was a prohibition against hunting or discharging a firearm inside state parks. Nothing about ccw. Also the ccw laws for MO have no prohibitions in regards to state parks.
Paul Toigo on 07/10/2008 07:50 PM
Just some facts:
1) In Independence, Missouri: An extremely popular mountain biking destination in the Kansas City area is Landahl Park. On the South edge of the trails is a gun range. There is a trail that skirts the North edge of the gun range called The Gun Barrel.
2) In Omaha, Nebraska: The Keystone Trail runs South out of town along the East side of The Big Pappillion Creek. On the West side of the creek is a shooting range called The Bullet Hole.
Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/11/2008 12:30 PM
Please allow me to point out that the Katy Trail is not an urban, semi-urban, or even semi-rural trail. It is 225 miles long, is state property, RURAL for the most part, wends across the state of Missouri, and if someone is wounded (fatally or not), emergency response may be severely delayed or limited due to the rural nature of its various points of location.
Jim from St. Thomas on 07/11/2008 01:08 PM
When people who use the trail start to want to control something that is "within earshot of the trail" I start to understand the landowners who oppose the trail. And as far emergency response times go....we already willingly take that risk everytime we go on the trail be it for crash and burns, heatstroke, lightening strikes, snakebites or any of the zillion things that might cause injury.
Robert from Columbia on 07/11/2008 01:13 PM
I agree with Jim.
People should be able to do whatever they want to with their property. Some of those
decisions might upset some people. They might build a hog farm, turkey farm, stink
factory.....whatever.
Its their land....not "Biker" from farmington.
Remember that this could become a railroad again someday as well.
Biker from Farmington, MO on 07/11/2008 03:13 PM
Thankfully, there are limits as to what people can do with their land, especially when those activities encroach upon and affect what people can do on "their" land (including hog farms, gun ranges, etc). Since many people pay taxes to support Missouri state parks, it could be considered the people's land. Sorry you seem to be taking this so personally.
As for snakebites, heatstroke, et. al., it could be argued that anyone could be killed by anything, certainly. But I was under the impression that guns were designed in order to kill in a particularly effective way, so I'm not sure you could put a gun-range and gun-toting bicyclists in the same classification as any of the other, more natural nuisances that might cause health problems (accidentally or intentionally) on the trail.
robert from columbia on 07/12/2008 04:46 PM
You should know that virtually every farm you pass on your katy trail trips have guns in
them. Practically every truck you see in rural missouri has a gun in it and I would suppose
that some of the bikers and hikers that you see on the trail are carrying guns.
I think that CCW is (or should) be allowed on the trail because I bet there are women out
there who are too frightened (probably should not be) to walk/bike the trail by themselves
but if they could carry something to defend themselves with then they might feel
comfortable.
99.9999% chance they would never have to use it but it might just bring some new trail
users around.
gc from Columbia, Mo. on 07/14/2008 07:24 AM
It might be a little hard to have a ready-to-use gun concealed under lycra and spandex.... sorry ;-)
Anonymous on 07/14/2008 09:49 AM
i doubt the gun owners are the ones wearing spandex LOL
Jim from St. Thomas on 07/14/2008 02:25 PM
Is that a concealed weapon or are you just glad to see me?
Anonymous on 07/14/2008 04:23 PM
Two words there Jim.......Main.....Tain.
Polly's B&B and Tea Room (Pilot Grove)
- + Hi Aunt Polly,
I just came across this site to comment on the B&B, and I just want to say that your place is great!! I may only make it home once every several years now since my Dad's passing, but...
Discussion started 07/14/2008 04:16 PM by Teri S. G. - 0 repliesTeri S. G. from once upon a time from Mo., now in Tx. on 07/14/2008 04:16 PM
Hi Aunt Polly,
I just came across this site to comment on the B&B, and I just want to say that your place is great!! I may only make it home once every several years now since my Dad's passing, but I hope to see you again soon. Everyone must go there for the pie!!! No one makes pie like my Aunt Polly, and I am not prejudice on bit!! Oops, I hope you are still making pie, if not you may be in trouble now.
Love,
Your Texan niece, Teri
Teri S. G. from once upon a time from Mo., now in Tx. on 07/14/2008 04:16 PM
Hi Aunt Polly,
I just came across this site to comment on the B&B, and I just want to say that your place is great!! I may only make it home once every several years now since my Dad's passing, but I hope to see you again soon. Everyone must go there for the pie!!! No one makes pie like my Aunt Polly, and I am not prejudice on bit!! Oops, I hope you are still making pie, if not you may be in trouble now.
Love,
Your Texan niece, Teri
Polly's B&B and Tea Room (Pilot Grove)
- + My son and I stayed at Polly's on June 12 2007, and had a great time. As with another entry, you gotta go for the home made pizza at the local general store.
Our room was perfect, no detail or...
Discussion started 07/08/2007 09:04 PM by John Seng - 6 replies (last reply by Teri S. G. at 07/14/2008 04:00 PM)John Seng from Rockville, MD on 07/08/2007 09:04 PM
My son and I stayed at Polly's on June 12 2007, and had a great time. As with another entry, you gotta go for the home made pizza at the local general store.
Our room was perfect, no detail or need overlooked.
Polly's Perch is a unique find, being a tea room nestled in rural Missouri. Polly prepared a sumptious breakfast, giving us bikers nearly a day's full of delectable calories to ride another 50 miles or so. For a tea room, try the coffee at Polly's. It's great.
John Seng from Rockville, MD on 07/08/2007 09:04 PM
My son and I stayed at Polly's on June 12 2007, and had a great time. As with another entry, you gotta go for the home made pizza at the local general store.
Our room was perfect, no detail or need overlooked.
Polly's Perch is a unique find, being a tea room nestled in rural Missouri. Polly prepared a sumptious breakfast, giving us bikers nearly a day's full of delectable calories to ride another 50 miles or so. For a tea room, try the coffee at Polly's. It's great.
Rick from Wichita on 08/07/2007 09:03 AM
This place is truely a wonderful B&B!!
It has to do with the attention to details. Chocolates on the towels, two types of body wash for man or woman, iced tea upon arrival, as well as some homemade peach pie a la mode! I swear I can think of nothing that could have been better! She even woke up early to serve us homecooked breakfast-blueberry pancakes, sausage, scrambled eggs, cerial, and bannanas. Polly was sweet and caring, and interested in talking about anything. She also washed our bottles, and filled them with ice water the next day...like I said details...I don't think you could go wrong staying here!
Rick from Wichita on 08/07/2007 09:03 AM
This place is truely a wonderful B&B!!
It has to do with the attention to details. Chocolates on the towels, two types of body wash for man or woman, iced tea upon arrival, as well as some homemade peach pie a la mode! I swear I can think of nothing that could have been better! She even woke up early to serve us homecooked breakfast-blueberry pancakes, sausage, scrambled eggs, cerial, and bannanas. Polly was sweet and caring, and interested in talking about anything. She also washed our bottles, and filled them with ice water the next day...like I said details...I don't think you could go wrong staying here!
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 08/07/2007 09:25 AM
There's been so many glowing comments about Polly's on this board, I think I'll plan my next ride just so I can overnight in Pilot Grove at Polly's.
MAH from Blue Springs, MO on 08/07/2007 09:25 AM
There's been so many glowing comments about Polly's on this board, I think I'll plan my next ride just so I can overnight in Pilot Grove at Polly's.
Rick from Wichita on 08/07/2007 02:32 PM
I promise you won't be dissapointed! Also, Pilot Grove is about 45 miles from Windsor, and 60 miles from Clinton, so hope that helps your planning. Be aware that there is a steady climb into Pilot Grove from both directions...Polly's is well worth the climb though!
Rick from Wichita on 08/07/2007 02:32 PM
I promise you won't be dissapointed! Also, Pilot Grove is about 45 miles from Windsor, and 60 miles from Clinton, so hope that helps your planning. Be aware that there is a steady climb into Pilot Grove from both directions...Polly's is well worth the climb though!
Douglas Smith from Wentzville, Missouri on 06/30/2008 09:19 AM
We made a return trip to Polly's this past Thursday evening and had another great experience. Polly is such a great hostess and even took us in and made us a great breakfast early on the morning of her birthday. We rode the entire trail, and staying at Polly's was once again one of the trip's highlights.
Douglas Smith from Wentzville, Missouri on 06/30/2008 09:19 AM
We made a return trip to Polly's this past Thursday evening and had another great experience. Polly is such a great hostess and even took us in and made us a great breakfast early on the morning of her birthday. We rode the entire trail, and staying at Polly's was once again one of the trip's highlights.
Polly from Pilot Grove on 07/13/2008 10:35 AM
I want to thank all my bikers for the wonderful comments. I don't mind getting up early to fix breakfast (even on my birthday!) All my guests have been interesting, polite and considerate and being a "down-home" person it makes the experience even more enjoyable for me. Meeting new people and learning about the world through my guest's experiences is like a vacation for me every time someone stays at Polly's. (One biker told me I ought to pay him to stay here) Thanks you - Love Polly
Polly from Pilot Grove on 07/13/2008 10:35 AM
I want to thank all my bikers for the wonderful comments. I don't mind getting up early to fix breakfast (even on my birthday!) All my guests have been interesting, polite and considerate and being a "down-home" person it makes the experience even more enjoyable for me. Meeting new people and learning about the world through my guest's experiences is like a vacation for me every time someone stays at Polly's. (One biker told me I ought to pay him to stay here) Thanks you - Love Polly
Teri S. G. from once upon a time from Mo., now in Tx. on 07/14/2008 04:00 PM
Hi Aunt Polly,
I just came across this site to comment on the B&B, and I just want to say that your place is great!! I may only make it home once every several years now since my Dad's passing, but I hope to see you again soon. Everyone must go there for the pie!!! No one makes pie like my Aunt Polly, and I am not prejudice on bit!! Oops, I hope you are still making pie, if not you may be in trouble now.
Love,
Your Texan niece, Teri
Teri S. G. from once upon a time from Mo., now in Tx. on 07/14/2008 04:00 PM
Hi Aunt Polly,
I just came across this site to comment on the B&B, and I just want to say that your place is great!! I may only make it home once every several years now since my Dad's passing, but I hope to see you again soon. Everyone must go there for the pie!!! No one makes pie like my Aunt Polly, and I am not prejudice on bit!! Oops, I hope you are still making pie, if not you may be in trouble now.
Love,
Your Texan niece, Teri
Cell Phone Coverage on the trail?
- + Is there decent coverage on the trail? Any dead spots that you know of?
Discussion started 07/13/2008 01:45 PM by Marvin Winston - 5 replies (last reply by Jim at 07/14/2008 03:02 PM)Marvin Winston from Maumelle on 07/13/2008 01:45 PM
Is there decent coverage on the trail? Any dead spots that you know of?
Anonymous on 07/13/2008 03:16 PM
It really bugs me when I am riding along the katy trail, chatting on the cell phone, text messaging and then I hit a dead spot and I lose my connection. Sometimes it takes me 10 minutes of riding to get out of the dead spot! ARRGGH!! And then there is the tunnel in rocheport, don't get me started there!
sbikes from Kansas City on 07/13/2008 05:05 PM
Cell phone coverage isn't great on the Trail. I have Verizon and there are lots of dead spots -
in fact, I would say there are more dead spots than not. Sharon
Jim from St. Thomas on 07/14/2008 02:29 PM
"It really bugs me when I am riding along the katy trail, chatting on the cell phone, text messaging and then I hit a dead spot and I lose my connection."
I have the same reception problem with my bike's wide-screen tv.
Ray (webmaster) on 07/14/2008 02:35 PM
"It really bugs me when I am riding along the katy trail, chatting on the cell phone, text messaging and then I hit a dead spot and I lose my connection."
I have the same reception problem with my bike's wide-screen tv.
Jim, try a trailer with a satellite dish. :-)
I concur regarding cell phone coverage - very spotty (T-Mobile). A long time ago I wanted to try to map out where I could get a signal, but when I'm riding I couldn't remember to keep checking for a signal.
Jim from St. Thomas on 07/14/2008 03:02 PM
Ray, There's no room in the trailer....the 5000w generator takes up all of the space.
Scooters
- + Does anyone know if you can ride motorized scooters on the trail?
Discussion started 07/13/2008 12:13 PM by Denne - 1 reply (last reply by anonymous at 07/13/2008 03:08 PM)Denne from Marshall on 07/13/2008 12:13 PM
Does anyone know if you can ride motorized scooters on the trail?
Anonymous on 07/13/2008 03:08 PM
From the katy trail brochure available at trail heads
"All motorized equipment is prohibited except official and emergency vehicles. Electrically assisted pedal powered bicycles and tricycles (maximum speed 20mph) as well as electronically powered mobility devices for persons with disabilities such as motorized wheelchairs and scooters are allowed"
If you're disabled and your scooter is electric it sounds like you can ride it.
Choo Choo's
- + A friend and myself had planned a ride on the Katy which included a stay at Choo Choo's campground. We had called ahead and made reservations. On our arrival we found the place closed. And needless...
Discussion started 09/26/2005 10:20 AM by CSCman - 14 replies (last reply by Jenifer at 07/12/2008 12:38 PM)CSCman from Chapin, IL on 09/26/2005 10:20 AM
A friend and myself had planned a ride on the Katy which included a stay at Choo Choo's campground. We had called ahead and made reservations. On our arrival we found the place closed. And needless to say the camp area less than inviting. We were very disappointed in everything. We ended up going to Scenic Cycles and camping there for the evening.
brad wilson from st louis on 09/26/2005 10:31 AM
Thanks for the info.
Last year I stayed at the Marthasville rec center camping area, and was planning on doing so this year. Is there some reason you didn't stay there?
Also, is Scenic Cycles offering camping now, or was that just a one-time deal? Did it have showers, bathroom etc? Price?
Thanks for the info.
CSCman from Chapin, IL on 09/26/2005 12:40 PM
Yes Scenic Cycles is now offering camping. They are a little over a mile east of Marthasville. I am sure that if you email Terry or Kathy at SC they can give you the details.
Ray (webmaster) on 09/26/2005 12:46 PM
Thanks for the information - I have removed ChooChoo's from the list, and added camping to the
Scenic Cycles listing. I appreciate you passing this along and helping to keep the website info up-to-date.
CSCman from Chapin, IL on 09/27/2005 12:59 PM
Ray, not sure they are out of business. But they were not open on the day that we there during their regular business hours. However a couple weeks we had called and made arrangements.
Anonymous on 09/28/2005 09:43 AM
If I understand the Marthasville Chamber of Commerce website, ChooChoos is closed on Wednesday's in season and isn't open at this time of year:
Our facility allows guests to camp, snack and/or bike.Enjoy Your Day! Hours: 11:00 a.m. - 9:00 p.m./daily
May 21st - Labor Day weekend-seasonal Closed on Wednesdays
Of course there are several possible interpretations of that message!
CSCman from Chapin, IL on 09/30/2005 11:41 AM
Well our trip was Labor Day weekend, we called a couple weeks before and set up our stay, and we were there at 4:30 p.m. on Friday and not a sole in site and the place was closed. Don't care how you want to interpret their listing on the Chamber's site, we called ahead and they should have 1. known we were coming and been there and open or 2. known they would not have been open and informed us of that when we called and we would have made other arrangements.
Ray (webmaster) on 10/08/2005 10:10 PM
I rode through Marthasville today (Oct 8), and believe it or not Choo Choos was open. There is a sign stating that they're open weekends until Oct 30. My guess is that the high school kid working the day you got there probably decided to cut out of work early, or never showed up in the first place. There's no excuse; I'm just speculating.
Ray (webmaster) on 10/10/2005 11:58 AM
By the way, the ice cream was tasty and they have a horse-tire swing that kept my kids entertained for nearly an hour. But the water in the restroom has a bad smell - if you're looking to fill your water bottles, you may want to hold out for bottled water from the convenience store. The S&R convenience store, which is visible looking south from the trail, is easily reached by heading south on the road that crosses the trail right by the trailhead (One St) for just over a quarter mile. It's right by One St at Hwy 47 - see the map on the
Marthasville page.
Robert Dean from Washington on 06/24/2006 05:53 PM
Choo-choos is a great place to go, if you have kids it is also very recomended in my book. There is a variety of things to get and you have the chance to meet a lot of nice people. the camping has bathrooms and a shower and is cheaper at 5 dollars per person rather than Scenic cycles which charges 20 per person.Choo-choos is a great place and i love the caboose.
Daniel Eugene from Trealor on 06/24/2006 05:56 PM
Choo-choos is a great place love it, and it's owner Barb is a very nice a pretty lady she will get along with pretty much everybody
George Post from Dutzow on 06/24/2006 06:06 PM
me and my wife were riding down the katy trail one day and running low on water so we ride farther and see a cute cozy little place called choo choos so we stopped to get water. turnes out that they have many more foods than i exspected. so we asked for water and she filled our water bottles. the water tasted like city water but i was perfectlt happy with this little caboose and i hope i can go back sometime.......... the oner barb is a very nice lady and the custard is tasty
Debra from Marthasville on 06/30/2006 06:42 AM
I planned a field trip for 18 preschoolers a while back with Choo Choo's being part of our itinerary. I called ahead and was told they would be open. I informed the owner that we would be bringing f18 children and that this was part of a field trip, we had been learning about trains and transportation. The kids were excited about this and were counting the days. We arrived as planned to find Choo choo's closed and looking somewhat abandoned. The children were devastated and I had to try to come up with refreshments for them and then try to keep them from running around the caboose where the weeds were almost taller than them. This place has potential, but needs an owner that really cares about it's customers. I would not recommend this place to anyone. I know of 18 children that feel the same way.
Anonymous on 07/04/2006 07:13 PM
choo choos was a great place to camp and enjoy a snowcone! everyone was very friendly and the friday night movie was delightful. we will definately be back soon!
Jenifer on 07/12/2008 12:38 PM
It appears to me that you had a great idea, and I had a sense of that...could you e-mail me....I'd like to ask some questions about it and is it for sale now....what's it's status????Thanks Jenifer